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Re: [Minutes] 2014-09-08 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:35:43 +0200
Message-ID: <540EADCF.10807@w3.org>
To: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, LAURA DAWSON <ljndawson@gmail.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Luc,

I have added your name to the attendees list.

thanks.

Thierry

On 08/09/2014 19:38, AUDRAIN LUC wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In this list, mine is +33.6.48.38.aabb
>
> Best,
> Luc
>
>
> Luc AUDRAIN
> _______________________________
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>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
> Envoyé : lundi 8 septembre 2014 19:27
> À : LAURA DAWSON; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Objet : Re: [Minutes] 2014-09-08 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>
> Laura,
>
> You must be one of the following telephone number for which I couln't
> map to the name of the caller
>
> +1.917.447.aaaa,
> +1.718.701.aaee,
> +91.99.70.18.aadd,
> +33.6.48.38.aabb,
> +1.734.904.aacc,
>
> let me know which one it was.
>
> Anyway, I have added your name to the list of attendees..
>
> Thierry
>
>
>
> On 08/09/2014 18:52, LAURA DAWSON wrote:
>> Hi, Thierry - I was also there but could not get onto IRC for some reasonŠ.
>>
>> On 9/8/14, 12:49 PM, "Thierry MICHEL" <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>>> dated 2014-09-08 are now available at
>>>
>>>       http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html
>>>
>>> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>>>       http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>>>
>>> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Thierry Michel
>>>
>>> ----------------------------
>>>
>>>      [1]W3C
>>>
>>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>>
>>>               Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>>>
>>> 08 Sept 2014
>>>
>>>      [2]Agenda
>>>
>>>         [2] http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
>>>
>>>      See also: [3]IRC log
>>>
>>>         [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-irc
>>>
>>>      Attendees:
>>>             [4]Phil Madans (philm), [5]Ivan Herman (Ivan),
>>>             [6]Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), [7]Brady Duga (duga),
>>>             [8]Markus Gylling (mgylling), [9]Tzviya Siegman
>>>             (tzviya), [10]Liza Daly (liza),  [11]Luc Audrain (Luc),
>>>             [12]Charles LaPierre (clapierre), [13]Bill Kasdorf
>>>             (Bill_Kasdorf), [14]Shinyu Murakami (murakami),
>>>             [15]Julie Morris (Julie) , [16]Madi Solomon (madi),
>>>             [17]Liam Quin (Liam), [18]David Stroup (david_stroup),
>>>             [19]Tom De Nies (TomDN), [20]Paul Belfanti (pBelfanti),
>>>             [21]Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), [22]Akshat Joshi
>>>             (AkshatJoshi), [23]Thierry Michel (tmichel), [24]Ben Ko
>>>             (benjaminsko),[25] Robert Sanderson (azaroth),
>>>             [26]Patrick_Pagano (Patrick_Pagano),
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Deborah_Kaplan
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Charles_LaPierre
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Shinyu_Murakami
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/David_Stroup
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Paul_Belfanti
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Akshat_Joshi
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>>            http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Patrick_Pagano
>>>
>>>             +1.917.447.aaaa,+1.718.701.aaee, +91.99.70.18.aadd,
>>>             +33.6.48.38.aabb,  +1.734.904.aacc,
>>>
>>>      Regrets:
>>>             Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Peter
>>>             Krautzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Michael
>>>             Miller (Mike).
>>>
>>>      Chair
>>>             Markus Gylling (mgylling)
>>>
>>>      Scribe
>>>             Julie Morris (Julie)
>>>
>>> Contents
>>>
>>>        * [27]Topics
>>>        * [28]Summary of Action Items
>>>        __________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>      <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
>>>
>>>      <ivan> scribenick: julie
>>>
>>>      <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no
>>>      longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
>>>
>>>      Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none,
>>>      approved
>>>
>>>      MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
>>>
>>>      PF meeting last week
>>>
>>>      two topics: 1) role attributes
>>>
>>>      <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and
>>>      formats
>>>
>>>      <AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
>>>
>>>      some of documentation more formal than what group's
>>>      documentation has been in the past
>>>
>>>      Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to
>>>      include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
>>>
>>>      she will have the document to share with all next week
>>>
>>>      MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to
>>>      give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
>>>
>>>      meaningful for educational content
>>>
>>>      read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or
>>>      non-sighted reader
>>>
>>>      <mgylling> btw, recap:
>>>      [29]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approac
>>>      hes:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
>>>
>>>        [29]
>>> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Cr
>>> iteria_and_Options
>>>
>>>      MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will
>>>      override the HTML5 spec
>>>      ... when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act
>>>      simultaneously with PF
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
>>>      ... should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes
>>>      to HTML)
>>>
>>>      <ivan> +1 to Markus
>>>
>>>      MGylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of
>>>      timing
>>>
>>>      Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some
>>>      other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be
>>>      scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
>>>      ... there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we
>>>      will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues
>>>      are also somewhat separate from PF
>>>      ... will connect with Judy Brewer
>>>
>>>      <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
>>>
>>>      Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
>>>
>>>      Bill K: metadata report draft...
>>>
>>>      Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
>>>
>>>      scribe: now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
>>>
>>>      <ivan> [30]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
>>>
>>>        [30] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
>>>
>>>      scribe: three things currently there: 1) interview summary;
>>>      interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on
>>>      the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of
>>>      people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's
>>>      conclusions for what needs to be done
>>>      ... question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible
>>>      action, grounded in interviews and summary
>>>      ... trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused
>>>      on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or
>>>      less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write
>>>      metadata
>>>      ... summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased
>>>      report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with
>>>      recommendations
>>>      ... looking for feedback from the IG
>>>
>>>      <ivan> [31]Initial recommendations
>>>
>>>        [31] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations
>>>
>>>      scribe: futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there
>>>      are existing vocabularies that work
>>>      ... idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe
>>>      schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
>>>      ... but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
>>>      ... some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
>>>
>>>      <madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan.
>>>
>>>      BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most
>>>      essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org
>>>      additions
>>>
>>>      scribe: will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from
>>>      there
>>>
>>>      Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work
>>>      together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
>>>
>>>      Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson
>>>      all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
>>>
>>>      Bill K; next step to identify priorities
>>>
>>>      <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
>>>
>>>      <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
>>>
>>>      linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
>>>
>>>      scribe: how will this work interact with current work going on
>>>      there?
>>>
>>>      <ivan> [32]list of participants in the schemabibtex group
>>>
>>>        [32] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants
>>>
>>>      Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily
>>>      library-centric
>>>
>>>      <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos
>>>      :)
>>>
>>>      Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked
>>>      data space
>>>
>>>      <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and
>>>      working with lib linked dasta people
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
>>>
>>>      some are issues IG can approach and some are not
>>>
>>>      scribe: burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata
>>>      traveling with content
>>>
>>>      Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some
>>>      lives with content
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of
>>>      rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
>>>
>>>      Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level
>>>      also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
>>>
>>>      these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
>>>
>>>      Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be
>>>      used for metadata
>>>      ... needs to be emphasized in the document the connections
>>>      between annotations
>>>
>>>      Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should
>>>      focus on, i.e. schema.org work
>>>
>>>      scribe: i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C
>>>      issues
>>>
>>>      MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a
>>>      start?
>>>
>>>      Tzviya will do
>>>
>>>      Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues,
>>>      so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue
>>>      will be logged
>>>      ... if there are changes, these should be added directly to
>>>      GitHub
>>>      ... tracker should be used to properly record issues
>>>
>>>      MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
>>>
>>>      <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
>>>
>>>      MGylling: IG has had good progress for finding a replacement
>>>      co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able
>>>      to step up as co-chair
>>>
>>>      <Luc> +1
>>>
>>>      Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
>>>
>>>      <philm> +1
>>>
>>>      +1
>>>
>>>      <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
>>>
>>>      MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up
>>>      meetings with
>>>
>>>      proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
>>>
>>>      <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure
>>>      that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
>>>
>>>      scribe: WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
>>>      ... agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present
>>>      to them
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
>>>      ... HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
>>>      ... Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
>>>      ... Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
>>>      ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require
>>>      changes on the dom level?
>>>
>>>      <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
>>>
>>>      MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on
>>>      Tues
>>>      ... large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but
>>>      not specific topics to discuss at this point
>>>
>>>      Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and
>>>      accessibility team re-SVG attribution
>>>
>>>      scribe: accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
>>>
>>>      Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
>>>
>>>      <azaroth> +1 :)
>>>
>>>      scribe: Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
>>>
>>>      at some point during the week
>>>
>>>      Tzviya: what about internationalization?
>>>
>>>      Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
>>>
>>>      scribe: pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group
>>>      for help on
>>>
>>>      Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
>>>      ... only one character set, but an important one
>>>
>>>      MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda
>>>      next week, open to suggestions
>>>      ... thanks everyone, until next Monday
>>>
>>>      [end of call]
>>>
>>> Summary of Action Items
>>>
>>>      [End of minutes]
>>>        __________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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