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RE: [Minutes] 2014-09-08 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:38:26 +0200
To: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>, LAURA DAWSON <ljndawson@gmail.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CBB672840B193740B8B735DDD60B2B6D0196C81468@HLVALCCR.intrahl.com>
Hi,

In this list, mine is +33.6.48.38.aabb

Best,
Luc


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-----Message d'origine-----
De : Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
Envoyé : lundi 8 septembre 2014 19:27
À : LAURA DAWSON; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Objet : Re: [Minutes] 2014-09-08 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Laura,

You must be one of the following telephone number for which I couln't
map to the name of the caller

+1.917.447.aaaa,
+1.718.701.aaee,
+91.99.70.18.aadd,
+33.6.48.38.aabb,
+1.734.904.aacc,

let me know which one it was.

Anyway, I have added your name to the list of attendees..

Thierry



On 08/09/2014 18:52, LAURA DAWSON wrote:
> Hi, Thierry - I was also there but could not get onto IRC for some reasonŠ.
>
> On 9/8/14, 12:49 PM, "Thierry MICHEL" <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>> dated 2014-09-08 are now available at
>>
>>      http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html

>>
>> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>>      http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings

>>
>> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Thierry Michel
>>
>> ----------------------------
>>
>>     [1]W3C
>>
>>        [1] http://www.w3.org/

>>
>>              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>>
>> 08 Sept 2014
>>
>>     [2]Agenda
>>
>>        [2] http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com

>>
>>     See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>>        [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-irc

>>
>>     Attendees:
>>            [4]Phil Madans (philm), [5]Ivan Herman (Ivan),
>>            [6]Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), [7]Brady Duga (duga),
>>            [8]Markus Gylling (mgylling), [9]Tzviya Siegman
>>            (tzviya), [10]Liza Daly (liza),  [11]Luc Audrain (Luc),
>>            [12]Charles LaPierre (clapierre), [13]Bill Kasdorf
>>            (Bill_Kasdorf), [14]Shinyu Murakami (murakami),
>>            [15]Julie Morris (Julie) , [16]Madi Solomon (madi),
>>            [17]Liam Quin (Liam), [18]David Stroup (david_stroup),
>>            [19]Tom De Nies (TomDN), [20]Paul Belfanti (pBelfanti),
>>            [21]Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), [22]Akshat Joshi
>>            (AkshatJoshi), [23]Thierry Michel (tmichel), [24]Ben Ko
>>            (benjaminsko),[25] Robert Sanderson (azaroth),
>>            [26]Patrick_Pagano (Patrick_Pagano),
>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Deborah_Kaplan

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Charles_LaPierre

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Shinyu_Murakami

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/David_Stroup

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Paul_Belfanti

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Akshat_Joshi

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>>           http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Patrick_Pagano

>>
>>            +1.917.447.aaaa,+1.718.701.aaee, +91.99.70.18.aadd,
>>            +33.6.48.38.aabb,  +1.734.904.aacc,
>>
>>     Regrets:
>>            Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Peter
>>            Krautzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Michael
>>            Miller (Mike).
>>
>>     Chair
>>            Markus Gylling (mgylling)
>>
>>     Scribe
>>            Julie Morris (Julie)
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>       * [27]Topics
>>       * [28]Summary of Action Items
>>       __________________________________________________________
>>
>>     <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
>>
>>     <ivan> scribenick: julie
>>
>>     <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no
>>     longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
>>
>>     Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none,
>>     approved
>>
>>     MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
>>
>>     PF meeting last week
>>
>>     two topics: 1) role attributes
>>
>>     <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
>>
>>     Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and
>>     formats
>>
>>     <AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
>>
>>     some of documentation more formal than what group's
>>     documentation has been in the past
>>
>>     Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to
>>     include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
>>
>>     she will have the document to share with all next week
>>
>>     MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
>>
>>     Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to
>>     give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
>>
>>     meaningful for educational content
>>
>>     read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or
>>     non-sighted reader
>>
>>     <mgylling> btw, recap:
>>     [29]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approac

>>     hes:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
>>
>>       [29]
>> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Cr

>> iteria_and_Options
>>
>>     MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will
>>     override the HTML5 spec
>>     ... when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act
>>     simultaneously with PF
>>
>>     Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
>>     ... should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes
>>     to HTML)
>>
>>     <ivan> +1 to Markus
>>
>>     MGylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of
>>     timing
>>
>>     Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some
>>     other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be
>>     scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
>>     ... there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we
>>     will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues
>>     are also somewhat separate from PF
>>     ... will connect with Judy Brewer
>>
>>     <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
>>
>>     Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
>>
>>     Bill K: metadata report draft...
>>
>>     Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
>>
>>     scribe: now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
>>
>>     <ivan> [30]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
>>
>>       [30] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/

>>
>>     scribe: three things currently there: 1) interview summary;
>>     interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on
>>     the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of
>>     people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's
>>     conclusions for what needs to be done
>>     ... question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible
>>     action, grounded in interviews and summary
>>     ... trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused
>>     on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or
>>     less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write
>>     metadata
>>     ... summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased
>>     report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with
>>     recommendations
>>     ... looking for feedback from the IG
>>
>>     <ivan> [31]Initial recommendations
>>
>>       [31] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations

>>
>>     scribe: futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there
>>     are existing vocabularies that work
>>     ... idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe
>>     schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
>>     ... but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
>>     ... some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
>>
>>     <madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan.
>>
>>     BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most
>>     essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org
>>     additions
>>
>>     scribe: will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from
>>     there
>>
>>     Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work
>>     together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
>>
>>     Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson
>>     all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
>>
>>     Bill K; next step to identify priorities
>>
>>     <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
>>
>>     <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
>>
>>     linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
>>
>>     scribe: how will this work interact with current work going on
>>     there?
>>
>>     <ivan> [32]list of participants in the schemabibtex group
>>
>>       [32] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants

>>
>>     Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily
>>     library-centric
>>
>>     <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos
>>     :)
>>
>>     Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked
>>     data space
>>
>>     <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and
>>     working with lib linked dasta people
>>
>>     Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
>>
>>     some are issues IG can approach and some are not
>>
>>     scribe: burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata
>>     traveling with content
>>
>>     Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some
>>     lives with content
>>
>>     Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of
>>     rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
>>
>>     Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level
>>     also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
>>
>>     these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
>>
>>     Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be
>>     used for metadata
>>     ... needs to be emphasized in the document the connections
>>     between annotations
>>
>>     Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should
>>     focus on, i.e. schema.org work
>>
>>     scribe: i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C
>>     issues
>>
>>     MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a
>>     start?
>>
>>     Tzviya will do
>>
>>     Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues,
>>     so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue
>>     will be logged
>>     ... if there are changes, these should be added directly to
>>     GitHub
>>     ... tracker should be used to properly record issues
>>
>>     MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
>>
>>     <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
>>
>>     MGylling: IG has had good progress for finding a replacement
>>     co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able
>>     to step up as co-chair
>>
>>     <Luc> +1
>>
>>     Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
>>
>>     <philm> +1
>>
>>     +1
>>
>>     <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
>>
>>     MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up
>>     meetings with
>>
>>     proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
>>
>>     <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure
>>     that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
>>
>>     scribe: WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
>>     ... agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present
>>     to them
>>
>>     Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
>>     ... HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
>>     ... Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
>>     ... Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
>>     ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require
>>     changes on the dom level?
>>
>>     <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
>>
>>     MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on
>>     Tues
>>     ... large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but
>>     not specific topics to discuss at this point
>>
>>     Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and
>>     accessibility team re-SVG attribution
>>
>>     scribe: accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
>>
>>     Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
>>
>>     <azaroth> +1 :)
>>
>>     scribe: Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
>>
>>     at some point during the week
>>
>>     Tzviya: what about internationalization?
>>
>>     Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
>>
>>     scribe: pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group
>>     for help on
>>
>>     Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
>>     ... only one character set, but an important one
>>
>>     MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda
>>     next week, open to suggestions
>>     ... thanks everyone, until next Monday
>>
>>     [end of call]
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>>     [End of minutes]
>>       __________________________________________________________
>>
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