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Re: [Minutes] 2014-09-08 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

From: LAURA DAWSON <ljndawson@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:52:05 -0400
To: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D03356D3.7E1AF%ljndawson@gmail.com>
Hi, Thierry - I was also there but could not get onto IRC for some reasonŠ.

On 9/8/14, 12:49 PM, "Thierry MICHEL" <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>dated 2014-09-08 are now available at
>
>	http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html
>
>These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>	http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>
>Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>
>Best,
>
>Thierry Michel
>
>----------------------------
>
>    [1]W3C
>
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>             Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>
>08 Sept 2014
>
>    [2]Agenda
>
>       [2] http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-irc
>
>    Attendees:
>           [4]Phil Madans (philm), [5]Ivan Herman (Ivan),
>           [6]Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), [7]Brady Duga (duga),
>           [8]Markus Gylling (mgylling), [9]Tzviya Siegman
>           (tzviya), [10]Liza Daly (liza),  [11]Luc Audrain (Luc),
>           [12]Charles LaPierre (clapierre), [13]Bill Kasdorf
>           (Bill_Kasdorf), [14]Shinyu Murakami (murakami),
>           [15]Julie Morris (Julie) , [16]Madi Solomon (madi),
>           [17]Liam Quin (Liam), [18]David Stroup (david_stroup),
>           [19]Tom De Nies (TomDN), [20]Paul Belfanti (pBelfanti),
>           [21]Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), [22]Akshat Joshi
>           (AkshatJoshi), [23]Thierry Michel (tmichel), [24]Ben Ko
>           (benjaminsko),[25] Robert Sanderson (azaroth),
>           [26]Patrick_Pagano (Patrick_Pagano),
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Deborah_Kaplan
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Charles_LaPierre
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Shinyu_Murakami
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/David_Stroup
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Paul_Belfanti
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Akshat_Joshi
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>          http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Patrick_Pagano
>
>           +1.917.447.aaaa,+1.718.701.aaee, +91.99.70.18.aadd,
>           +33.6.48.38.aabb,  +1.734.904.aacc,
>
>    Regrets:
>           Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Peter
>           Krautzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Michael
>           Miller (Mike).
>
>    Chair
>           Markus Gylling (mgylling)
>
>    Scribe
>           Julie Morris (Julie)
>
>Contents
>
>      * [27]Topics
>      * [28]Summary of Action Items
>      __________________________________________________________
>
>    <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
>
>    <ivan> scribenick: julie
>
>    <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no
>    longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
>
>    Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none,
>    approved
>
>    MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
>
>    PF meeting last week
>
>    two topics: 1) role attributes
>
>    <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
>
>    Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and
>    formats
>
>    <AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
>
>    some of documentation more formal than what group's
>    documentation has been in the past
>
>    Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to
>    include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
>
>    she will have the document to share with all next week
>
>    MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
>
>    Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to
>    give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
>
>    meaningful for educational content
>
>    read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or
>    non-sighted reader
>
>    <mgylling> btw, recap:
>    [29]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approac
>    hes:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
>
>      [29] 
>https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Cr
>iteria_and_Options
>
>    MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will
>    override the HTML5 spec
>    ... when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act
>    simultaneously with PF
>
>    Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
>    ... should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes
>    to HTML)
>
>    <ivan> +1 to Markus
>
>    MGylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of
>    timing
>
>    Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some
>    other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be
>    scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
>    ... there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we
>    will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues
>    are also somewhat separate from PF
>    ... will connect with Judy Brewer
>
>    <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
>
>    Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
>
>    Bill K: metadata report draft...
>
>    Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
>
>    scribe: now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
>
>    <ivan> [30]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
>
>      [30] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
>
>    scribe: three things currently there: 1) interview summary;
>    interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on
>    the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of
>    people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's
>    conclusions for what needs to be done
>    ... question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible
>    action, grounded in interviews and summary
>    ... trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused
>    on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or
>    less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write
>    metadata
>    ... summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased
>    report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with
>    recommendations
>    ... looking for feedback from the IG
>
>    <ivan> [31]Initial recommendations
>
>      [31] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations
>
>    scribe: futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there
>    are existing vocabularies that work
>    ... idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe
>    schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
>    ... but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
>    ... some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
>
>    <madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan.
>
>    BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most
>    essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org
>    additions
>
>    scribe: will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from
>    there
>
>    Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work
>    together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
>
>    Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson
>    all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
>
>    Bill K; next step to identify priorities
>
>    <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
>
>    <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
>
>    linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
>
>    scribe: how will this work interact with current work going on
>    there?
>
>    <ivan> [32]list of participants in the schemabibtex group
>
>      [32] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants
>
>    Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily
>    library-centric
>
>    <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos
>    :)
>
>    Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked
>    data space
>
>    <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and
>    working with lib linked dasta people
>
>    Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
>
>    some are issues IG can approach and some are not
>
>    scribe: burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata
>    traveling with content
>
>    Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some
>    lives with content
>
>    Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of
>    rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
>
>    Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level
>    also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
>
>    these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
>
>    Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be
>    used for metadata
>    ... needs to be emphasized in the document the connections
>    between annotations
>
>    Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should
>    focus on, i.e. schema.org work
>
>    scribe: i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C
>    issues
>
>    MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a
>    start?
>
>    Tzviya will do
>
>    Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues,
>    so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue
>    will be logged
>    ... if there are changes, these should be added directly to
>    GitHub
>    ... tracker should be used to properly record issues
>
>    MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
>
>    <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
>
>    MGylling: IG has had good progress for finding a replacement
>    co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able
>    to step up as co-chair
>
>    <Luc> +1
>
>    Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
>
>    <philm> +1
>
>    +1
>
>    <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
>
>    MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up
>    meetings with
>
>    proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
>
>    <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure
>    that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
>
>    scribe: WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
>    ... agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present
>    to them
>
>    Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
>    ... HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
>    ... Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
>    ... Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
>    ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require
>    changes on the dom level?
>
>    <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
>
>    MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on
>    Tues
>    ... large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but
>    not specific topics to discuss at this point
>
>    Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and
>    accessibility team re-SVG attribution
>
>    scribe: accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
>
>    Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
>
>    <azaroth> +1 :)
>
>    scribe: Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
>
>    at some point during the week
>
>    Tzviya: what about internationalization?
>
>    Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
>
>    scribe: pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group
>    for help on
>
>    Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
>    ... only one character set, but an important one
>
>    MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda
>    next week, open to suggestions
>    ... thanks everyone, until next Monday
>
>    [end of call]
>
>Summary of Action Items
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      __________________________________________________________
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