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<trackbot> Date: 20 June 2012
<fjh> Add to agenda item for WebIntents to pass Resolution affirming FPWD publication
<fjh> New Participants in WG
<fjh> ScribeNick: Cathy
fjh: We have a bunch of new members, notably jhawkins who can now take action items.
<fjh> fjh: welcome to new members of the WG, including Dongsheng from Baidu, Dong Min from Rtt and James from Google
fjh: CfC for FPWD completed.
<fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: DAP WG affirms publication of FPWD of WebIntents (as agreed in WebIntents TF), including changes in progress
<darobin> +1
<claes> +1
<jhawkins> +1
<dsr> +1
RESOLUTION: DAP WG affirms publication of FPWD of WebIntents (as agreed in WebIntents TF), including changes in progress
<Jungkee> +1
<fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: shortname for WebIntents is "web-intents"
<jhawkins> +1
<darobin> +1
<fjh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/web-intents/raw-file/tip/spec/Overview.html
<Jungkee> +1
RESOLUTION: shortname for WebIntents is "web-intents"
<darobin> [I point out that the final decision on this is not ours but the Director's — though I doubt there would be any objection]
<fjh> (this should be URL of editors draft heading)
fjh: darobin proposed editorial edits.
jhawkins: we'll incorporate those.
<fjh> ACTION: dsr to widen editing privileges for editing webIntents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Widen editing privileges for editing webIntents [on Dave Raggett - due 2012-06-27].
<Josh_Soref> scribe: Josh_Soref
<fjh> jhawkins: analysis of WebActivities with respect to WebIntents is underway, should expect email from Greg on this topic on WebIntents list soon
<jhawkins> +1
<fjh> fjh: darobin's suggestion on the list of framing architectural issues in terms of conformance targets is helpful
darobin: one thing i haven't had time to do
... is in addition to the markup oriented pass
... i wanted to go through the spec and fix up the testable assertions
... but that can be done later
fjh: greg needs to know that you're doing it
darobin: obviously i need to sync up with him
... the only thing i've touched so far, is entirely editorial
... it's faster for me to make the edits on the spec directly
... than to describe them
fjh: we'll take this to the list
... it's good that we're making progress
... we'll beat the Publishing Moratorium in July
<fjh> No DAP teleconference on 4 July 2012 (also is US holiday), and no teleconference on 18 July 2012. DAP F2F 10-12 July.
<fjh> Approve minutes from 13 June 2012
<fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jun/att-0049/minutes-2012-06-13.html
RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 13 June 2012
fjh: thanks everyone who answered the questionaire
<fjh> Please complete attendance questionnaire: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/DAPJuly2012F2F/
<fjh> results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/DAPJuly2012F2F/results
<fjh> Logistics: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/BurlingtonF2F2012
<fjh> Draft Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_10-12_July_2012_Burlington_MA_USA
fjh: I took a pass at the agenda yesterday
... claes you're in Europe
... which is later than us
... it's a 6 hour difference
... we need to know what our parameters are
... 10-5 tuesday
... 9:30-5 wednesday
... 9:30-3 thursday
... the goal for thursday is to let people leave early flying west
... topics for tuesday
... agenda review, web intents
... wednesday, upnp/network info/gallery
... contacts
... thursday: media capture, privacy+security, system level apis
... interop
... we might want to move interop+testing earlier
... i was concerned about splitting things up
claes: the most important slot for me is Intents UPnP
... we intend to submit the addendum to WebIntents next week
... the time slot (wednesday morning) is perfect for me
fjh: the question i had is how much of a working session will we do/need
... we have thursday morning as well
... and i don't know how significant Media Capture will be
... not sure about remotes
... we have AnssiK, Claes - morning preference
... we have Travis - afternoon preference
Josh_Soref: we could move MC to wednesday afternoon
fjh: i think that would make sense
... jhawkins what are your thoughts?
... you'll be chairing...
jhawkins: my preference is a full day
fjh: claes, you won't be involved in gallery/network info
<jhawkins> +1
fjh: if we had UPnP thursday morning, and Intents Tuesday+Wednesday morning
claes: that works
... but we could talk about UPnP+ Gallery together
... thursday morning
fjh: yeah, that makes sense to me
<jhawkins> darobin: sounds good to me
fjh: my concern is the time limit on thursday, as we're ending early
... unless we change that now
darobin: we might want mounir around for Network Info
... he hasn't answered yet, I suspect he'll be remote
Josh_Soref: and he's Europe (preference morning)
... could we do battery/proximity/vibration/network info for mornings of days
... and Intents in the second slot of days
... contacts can be an afternoon slot
<mounir> Josh_Soref: I will unlikely come to the F2F but dougt should come for Mozilla
[ fjh live edits wiki ]
<mounir> oh, I didn't know it was possible to change the answers later
<mounir> will do that then
Josh_Soref: i'd suggest network info before web intents on wednesday
... move interop and testing to tuesday afternoon
fjh: that's good, i don't want to leave it to the end
... and if anything comes up, we can deal with it
... during the meeting
Josh_Soref: move system level apis to after afternoon break on wednesday
fjh: i want to swap upnp intents to wednesday and intents part 2 to thursday
jhawkins: that's fine
Josh_Soref: +1
fjh: we'll take breaks when we want to
... we'll structure day 3 afternoon when we get to day 3 morning
... i assume we'll update gallery+contacts specs and publish
... other comments?
... claes: is this still ok with you?
claes: yes, this is ok
... if possible, if we could get time estimation for when i should call in, that would be nice
fjh: on day 1, i think web intents would be around 10:30a local time
... day 2, upnp probably around 10am local time
... i don't know when we'll want to do lunch
Cathy: i think you have to get there around 1pm
fjh: that gives us 4 hours before lunch
... i don't know exact times
claes: that's ok for now
fjh: anything else on this discussion?
... we'll probably break during web intents and upnp
Josh_Soref: tentatively, for day 1, move break between interop and privacy
fjh: I think Anssi made updates
... and all comments were incorporated
... so we're due for publication
... objections to my sending out a CfC?
darobin: we're at CR now
... my understanding is that our changes were editorial
... it might be simpler to do the testing
... and integrate the changes before PR
fjh: so it's a question of going through testing
darobin: i was hoping to finish the test suite by the F2F
fjh: so we should wait
... thanks darobin
fjh: I updated this about Informed Consent
<fjh> updated with new best practice for informed consent, ACTION-470
<darobin> +1
<fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jun/0056.html
fjh: based on my long standing action
<fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Publish "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, following CfC
Josh_Soref: i'd like to read through it and send back editorial comments
fjh: i think we should do the CfC
... and you can send comments during the CfC
darobin: Josh_Soref you can send comments during the CfC
Josh_Soref: ok
RESOLUTION: Publish "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, following CfC
fjh: dsr, i get confused about the different kinds of notes
<fjh> ACTION: fjh to send CfC for publishing "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, ending next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-545 - Send CfC for publishing "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, ending next week [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-06-27].
fjh: i think WG Note is the right kind
Jungkee: brief update status of Gallery
... defining XXX
... i think we can discuss about XX1
... after I update the ED next week
... working on the media
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<Jungkee> that's right
<Jungkee> i'll update the ED next week with media searching part
<fjh> jungkee: updating gallery to reflect list discussion
<Jungkee> interface and dictionary of the filters
fjh: when you update the ED, it'd be nice if you indicate where the changes are
Josh_Soref: searching reminds me of contacts
... i worry that we're reinventing the same thing again and again
... at some point i'd like to see end user oriented UCs for searching
... the implication for spec is more or less:
... Web Application asks Gallery API for content
... Gallery API implementation lets user pick content
... user picks content
<fjh> fjh: suggest that we take this to the list
Josh_Soref: Gallery Implementation returns content to Web Application
<Jungkee> alright
<Jungkee> The thing is we now exploit the Web Intents support in writing the Gallery apps
<Jungkee> so that the developers can easily utliize many different services whether or not it is local, remote
<Jungkee> sure
fjh: we have one more call ... next week
... otherwise, see people at the F2F
... thank you very much
<fjh> ACTION-470 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-470 Update web application privacy best practices related to active consent closed
<fjh> ACTION-538 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-538 Create CfC to publish update WD of HTML Media Capture closed
<fjh> ACTION-541 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-541 Start CfC for FPWD of proximity closed
fjh: thanks Josh_Soref for closing actions earlier
<fjh> ACTION-543 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-543 Check with Josh Soref on actions next week closed
Josh_Soref: note that commas in wiki pages (or any other url) cause pain to scribe scripts
fjh: i'll move the pages to names without commas and update the agendas page
[ Adjourned ]
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