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<trackbot> Date: 26 October 2011
<Clarke> Could I get a minute on the agenda to discuss distribution of the CableLabs discovery implementation?
<scribe> ScribeNick: richt
fjh: Timezone change on the first Monday of TPAC
... May affect people dialling in.
... TPAC agenda is finalized.
<fjh> TPAC final agenda , see http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/
<fjh> Plenary day info http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2011
fjh: Any other announcements?
[no other announcements]
<fjh> Draft agenda - http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_3-4_November_2011,_Santa_Clara_(TPAC)
<fjh> proposal is to have breaks 10-10:30, lunch 12-1, break 3:30-4
<fjh> afternoon break, 3:3:30 might be better on day 1,
<Josh_Soref> i'm going to be a bit late on thursday morning. i have an appointment with santa clara municipality @9am. i should be on site by 9:45 and hopefully on the call by 9:25
fjh: Anything on the agenda that needs adjusting?
darobin: Anything on privacy as a topic?
... Privacy IG going to be around?
fjh: I have an issue to bring up, TAG may have some new update on its privacy work, will look into any additional items.
... Anything else for the F2F?
<fjh> web & tv, API approaches and rationale - http://www.w3.org/wiki/API_Design_Approaches_and_the_Rationales_for_Them
fjh: List discussion. Clarke you want to introduce an implementation?
Clarke: Just wondering how to share an implementation?
fjh: Uploading something is a good approach.
darobin: A link to where the implementation can be retrieved?
<dom> you could also send "it" to firstname.lastname@example.org
<dom> that will archive it in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/
Clarke: we've implemented a Java Applet to enable discovery + 3 demos to play with.
... It's for demo purposes. Not a production piece of software.
... [discusses individual demos]
Clarke, could you provide more details in the demo link you will provide?
Clarke: One more thing...
Clarke: We've tested this on most browsers and it *usually* works.
darobin: doesn't need to be production-level but really great to have a demo to play with.
Clarke: Will be demoing this during the TPAC Plenary talk.
<fjh> during web and tv session
fjh: Anyone on the call that can speak to that?
AnssiK: We have Mozilla's implementation. Asked Mozilla if they want to contribute their proposal to this WG. Awaiting a reply.
... Wonder if it would be helpful to create a spec based on what Mozilla currently have.
... So is that useful?
<fjh> I think it would be useful
darobin: I think so.
<fjh> ACTION: anssik to produce initial vibration api spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/26-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - anssik
AnssiK: OK, I'll make this in to a spec and then we can discuss it further.
<fjh> ACTION: anssi to produce initial vibration api spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/26-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-458 - Produce initial vibration api spec [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2011-11-02].
<fjh> ACTION-458: Start with Mozilla API proposal
<trackbot> ACTION-458 Produce initial vibration api spec notes added
dom: We should mention this plan to Mozilla and we will discuss on the main Working Group mailing list for now.
fjh: Or send a note to the TF mailing saying it's being discussed on the WG ML.
jcantera: I can provide some input on Vibration from working in this field.
<darobin> ... with Immersion
jcantera: ...at the TPAC F2F.
... Most of the time you can't control the intensity of the vibration.
jcantera: Hopefully such implementors feedback will be helpful.
darobin: would be very useful.
I think we should wait for a first draft and then discuss specific restrictions/issues.
Or jcantera and AnssiK work together on producing the first draft?
fjh: AnssiK to produce first draft and then we can discuss further at TPAC and beyond.
fjh: Discussion ongoing on the list.
jcantera: Issues open on the discovery of sensors, connecting to multiple sensors.
... to be discussed at the F2F meeting.
... Will present a prototype implementation of the Sensors API. Implemented in Android using the low-level sensor APIs.
... Will be demonstrating in an app via a WebView.
darobin: will the prototype be available for others to play with?
jcantera: code is being uploaded for the public to use.
... ...in github. link will be provided when that's ready.
fjh: we'll defer this since relevant people are not on the call.
fjh: What's the next step?
<Josh_Soref> mozilla recently reviewed the contacts spec
<Josh_Soref> and decided it didn't like a bunch of things in it
<Josh_Soref> i tried to get them to send feedback to the list
<fjh> richt notes we could go to last call but waiting for feedback from mozilla and still working on test cases
<Josh_Soref> but they aren't
<dom> contacts API test suite
<dom> Josh_Soref has started to re-work on it, hasn't he?
<Josh_Soref> they want better alignment with vcard4
fjh: should we discuss this at the F2F?
<Josh_Soref> yeah, i'm starting to rework it
darobin: hopefully we can discuss directly with a Mozilla rep.
[will discuss further at the F2F]
<Josh_Soref> fwiw, i agree with and was working to make changes which happen to correspond with their vision
AnssiK: Optimistic on progress of this spec.
<darobin> +1 to publishing battery whenever the editor's happy
AnssiK: Have been patching in feedback from Mozilla.
<fjh> This work is progressing well, thanks Anssi. Suggest we publish after TPAC.
AnssiK: Might be good to publish after TPAC.
<dom> it's actually too late for publishing before TPAC
fjh: Let's do a CfC during the TPAC F2F.
<darobin> moratorium ends on 7/11
fjh: Any other topics? Are we done?
... We're done. See you all next week.