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<trackbot> Date: 13 July 2011
<fjh> Scribe: Bryan_Sullivan
<fjh> ScribeNick: bryan
<fjh> discontinuing UK, FR dial-in zakim numbers
Media Annotations group is going to last call with Media Annotation Resources and Webapps with WebIDL also
bryan: I will look for internal reviewers on media annotation
<darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/4E1C8BD6.firstname.lastname@example.org -> MAWG Media Annotation API LC
<darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/4E1C72C8.email@example.com -> Web IDL LC
<fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 July 2011 are approved
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 July 2011 are approved
<fjh> if you plan to use a car please indicate to Cecile
fjh: Any comments or concerns to the agenda?
... Web and TV - plan to introduce by Francois is TBD
... dial-in will be provided
... APIs not progressing will be moved to Day 3
<dom> (we have one open issue ISSUE-112)
<trackbot> ISSUE-112 -- Do we need to give an estimated time remaining indication with battery events? -- open
darobin: need to review it before last call
<fjh> diiscovery proposal -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jul/0073.html
<fjh> event firing issue -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jul/0070.html
dom: device orientation API that inspired the battery API has a discussion re event firing, the battery API may need to change as a result
darobin: had we removed mention of immediate (firing)
<darobin> "When an event listener is registered with the event type batterystatus, then the user agent must retrieve the relevant information and dispatch a BatteryStatusEvent event asynchronously as defined in [DOM-LEVEL-3-EVENTS]. "
darobin: confirms immediate was removed
<fjh> concern with potential side effects
dom: invoking add event listener should not have side effects
<dom> ISSUE: addEventListener in Battery Status has side effects
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-113 - AddEventListener in Battery Status has side effects ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/113/edit .
<dom> ISSUE-113: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jul/0070.html
<trackbot> ISSUE-113 AddEventListener in Battery Status has side effects notes added
darobin: to continue discussing at the F2F and make decision on last call then
fjh: where are we
darobin: at the F2F will review last call comments
... we can go to CR when we have addressed all comments
fjh: should consider vacations
darobin: getting close to end of july with one-week review, effectively Sept before transition
richt: need more implementations and test suites, may need to go back to WD?
fjh: yes, that happens
<dom> [we already have the start of a test suite, fwiw http://w3c-test.org/dap/contacts/tests/ ]
darobin: testing is also planned to discussion at F2F
forpic: other APIs
<dom> (Robin is an editor!)
fjh: can we resolve the ethernet/usb issue
<dom> I think Josh's feedback is close to the feedback we got from Jo, to which our response is still pending (cf ACTION-411)
<trackbot> ACTION-411 -- Robin Berjon to reply to Jo about NetInfo -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
timeless: knowing the wire interface is not useful
dom: we should document the discussion and resolution about the level of information that can be given in the network info API
richt: have an implementation of the API, for Android browser. changes cost to implementations and need to be factored into the decision
timeless: would be good to know if 4G is ever returned
dom: suggest timeless reach out to google for their input
<richt> as I mentioned last week if we can mark up emails with [contacts] [netinfo] etc then it would be easier for other (busy) people to participate. Parsing all the emails received takes time.
<richt> ...or setup sub-groups.
timeless: will make an effort to reach out
<darobin> [richt: make a proposal to the list]
dom: re proposal to markup subject line on emails, the new charter will enable task forces (with separate mailing lists), and we can also improve email usage in the way suggested - new email lists have a management overhead
bryan: I support use of tags over additional lists
<Zakim> timeless, you wanted to note that having to subscribe to lots of mailing lists or unsubscribe is painful
<richt> '500 emails a day' was conservative. But I was assuming you read them all ;)
timeless: having to subscribe/unsubscribe is painful - tags are better
fjh: tags are probably easier
dom: open to many options but we need people to express themselves
<richt> Should be simple enough to add tags to new email threads. Really helps to focus in on particular subjects at a time.
<richt> It's an informal proposal.
dom: webapps uses tags and also has distinct lists
<dom> let's maybe start with tagging subjects; could the chairs suggest this to the list?
<richt> dom, that's what I mean at [contacts] in the subject line.
darobin: should continue on the list
<richt> It shouldn't need to much discussion. People either do it or we don't.
<wonsuk> +1 for tag, even though it will not be perfect
someone suggest the tags to use
fjh: no call the week after the F2F