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Re: CSVs and provenance

From: Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:07:29 -0800
Message-ID: <CAMFz4jg8VcAgQ4K0-zTHvsDqMA9EL=WOmhak6cz4yDNc7yUT1A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Yakov Shafranovich <yakov-ietf@shaftek.org>
Cc: "Ceolin, D." <d.ceolin@vu.nl>, W3C CSV on the Web Working Group <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
Yakov,

Yes it does fit within the concept of provenance, and yes I think it
would be good to capture.

Cheers,

Eric

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Yakov Shafranovich
<yakov-ietf@shaftek.org> wrote:
> I think something similar to the concept of "User-Agent" in HTTP or
> email would be helpful. Knowing what software and version generated a
> given CSV file would help to interpret it.
>
> Not sure if this fits within the concept of provenance.
>
> Yakov
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Ceolin, D. <d.ceolin@vu.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> I should have something, but not much. So yes please, that would be very helpful.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Davide
>>
>> Il giorno 27/feb/2014, alle ore 15.48, Eric Stephan ha scritto:
>>
>>> Davide,
>>>
>>> Great idea, I feel this is very important and a huge problem for
>>> anyone who has to maintain a CSV and track changes.  I'd love to see a
>>> use case on this.  If you need any help with a real world use case let
>>> me know, there are plenty in the science arena.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ceolin, D. <d.ceolin@vu.nl> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've seen some hints of provenance around, but I'd like to tackle the problem a little bit deeper.
>>>> I believe that there are at least two provenance issues, that are related each other and that probably need a standardized handling:
>>>> - if a CSV file is obtained from a spreadsheet, it's likely that one or more 'cells' result from formulas applied to other cells in the same CSV. Probably (a simplified version of) PROV is a good candidate to represent such relations? If I'm not wrong, there was some related discussion floating around in the chat two telcos ago (about "sum" cells?).
>>>> - also, the whole CSV file may be the result of a specific process, especially if it represents a DB dump and/or the result of a computation. It would be useful to be able to annotate these files with their provenance.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if this is in the scope of the working group, but I believe that at least part of it is.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Davide
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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