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Re: CSVs and provenance

From: Yakov Shafranovich <yakov-ietf@shaftek.org>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:23:47 -0500
Message-ID: <CAPQd5oQRcmoG3bGD4jDXcutVyCoho7NEPa73kFffWQ0w0QbktA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Ceolin, D." <d.ceolin@vu.nl>
Cc: Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>, W3C CSV on the Web Working Group <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
I think something similar to the concept of "User-Agent" in HTTP or
email would be helpful. Knowing what software and version generated a
given CSV file would help to interpret it.

Not sure if this fits within the concept of provenance.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Ceolin, D. <d.ceolin@vu.nl> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> I should have something, but not much. So yes please, that would be very helpful.
> Thanks,
> Davide
> Il giorno 27/feb/2014, alle ore 15.48, Eric Stephan ha scritto:
>> Davide,
>> Great idea, I feel this is very important and a huge problem for
>> anyone who has to maintain a CSV and track changes.  I'd love to see a
>> use case on this.  If you need any help with a real world use case let
>> me know, there are plenty in the science arena.
>> Eric
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ceolin, D. <d.ceolin@vu.nl> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I've seen some hints of provenance around, but I'd like to tackle the problem a little bit deeper.
>>> I believe that there are at least two provenance issues, that are related each other and that probably need a standardized handling:
>>> - if a CSV file is obtained from a spreadsheet, it's likely that one or more 'cells' result from formulas applied to other cells in the same CSV. Probably (a simplified version of) PROV is a good candidate to represent such relations? If I'm not wrong, there was some related discussion floating around in the chat two telcos ago (about "sum" cells?).
>>> - also, the whole CSV file may be the result of a specific process, especially if it represents a DB dump and/or the result of a computation. It would be useful to be able to annotate these files with their provenance.
>>> I'm not sure if this is in the scope of the working group, but I believe that at least part of it is.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Davide
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