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Re: First pass at CG naming goals and restrictions google doc

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 06:57:26 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok3fit18KRDvc2zPccN2NHbeuAVVkO62QaVx2dyvnyUa_w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kim Hamilton <kimdhamilton@gmail.com>, Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>

I read the doc.  Nice.

Reputation systems flagged my interest. Most of that capability is done
now, I'm not even sure what ontology work needs to occur.  Perhaps
HTTP-SIGNATURES is still lacking? I thought it was deemed to be

I didn't really understand what you hoped to work on.

At WWW2017 (which only a few attended) I went to town on calling out the
issue of ID.  Indeed, I sent an email to Vint, TimBL and many others
essentially saying "fuck you", why in 25 years did you consider ID to be so
unimportant.  My purpose was to say, that I wanted to see the problem
solved in their lifetime.

But i think they really did not appriciate the mail.

The tactical process said, was to build the elements.

Another statement said that as philosophers, concerns were had; which
indeed I understand, given the rather commercial sway any ID project seems
find so difficult to successfully navigate as the reality is, most projects
that look hopeful, get captured.

I have never understood "self soverign" I understand citizen and I
understand choice of law and I understand a multitude of things that seek
to be deemed "acceptable".

In my view identity, I consider to be a "theta layer" to the web, but given
I'm not really a "contributor" as the work has progressed..

I just read this "self soverign" concept confused.

When I started working on these things the reason why was because a
government department put upon me some decisions that changed my life, and
whilst those decisions were illegal, the fact was that the government
employees did it in a manner, knowingly, that ensured very little evidence
was available for me to remedy the harm they'd done as part of what they
considered to be their job.

I don't see how these years of work have done much to make the case for
vulnerable people any better.  Indeed I fear it's made the situation
worse.  I don't understand how these works provide the means for a person
who has been engaged, or forced into a transaction that is illegal or
wrong, to have the data to prove it when the entity who sought to yeild
power, through their database powered employment agreements, is involved in
a system that engineers products and services to protect them from
accountability. From.responsibility, beyond the mental health impacts those
people have from damaging the lives of others, for money to feed their

People say I'm not very commerical.  I think they need to wake the fuck up.


On Wed., 31 May 2017, 4:37 pm Timothy Holborn, <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>

> What does a self soverign human look like?
> Or...   How can it be said.  What are the benefits to a smart phone, what
> does it do...  Or...
> What is a credential what does it do...  Or...
> What is a self soverign identifier..  what does it do?
> I have never understood the idea of "self soverign".  Is it like 2nd life
> or Minecraft, some space that's "self soverign", or perhaps moreover its
> soverign to the human? Who's self in the context to the sovereign?
> Thought I'd ask...
> Tim.h.
> On Wed., 31 May 2017, 2:14 pm Kim Hamilton, <kimdhamilton@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I took a first stab at enumerating the CG naming goals, proposed names,
>> pros and cons, etc so we know the constraints when picking a name
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H5tO0IRawIHzVnRP2sTbdBA-PUkWgSdcydx2ru2fPHg/edit?usp=sharing
>> I noticed that "Self-Sovereign Technology Community Group" had the most
>> positive reception with the fewest downsides. We could stop
>> there....otherwise, please edit/provide feedback and I'll continue to shape
>> this into something more actionable.
>> - Kim HD
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