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Re: Next Steps for W3C Coremob

From: <jeanfrancois.moy@orange.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:37:14 +0000
To: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, "public-coremob@w3.org" <public-coremob@w3.org>, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
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To summarise, there are three possibilities: keep working as a CG, switch
to an IG, or merge the initiative with Dom's Closing The Gap.

I am quite a newcomer in the W3C family, so sorry if that sounds obvious
for most but how do people normally process to decide? Voting? Resolution?

Jean-Francois 

On 11/03/2013 14:10, "Charles McCathie Nevile" <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:48:37 +0100, Arthur Barstow
><art.barstow@nokia.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/13 7:12 AM, ext Jo Rabin wrote:
>>> 
>>>http://www.w3.org/community/coremob/2013/03/10/next-steps-for-w3c-coremo
>>>b-2013-03-10/
>> So I see two important messages here and I trust there is consensus on
>> these ...
>>
>> 1. If you want to actively contribute to W3C testing efforts, join
>> public-test-infra.
>
>Agreed
>
>> 2. If you want to actively engage with developers, contribute to
>> WebPlatform.org.
>
>Well, depends *how* you want to engage, but yeah...
>
>> Re new scope, depending on how one squints, I think CoreMob was
>> originally mostly about "minding the gaps". As such, I recommend
>>merging  
>> this group and Dom's public-closing-the-gaps group. ATM, there is 100%
>> overlap between these two groups regarding people that have submitted
>> something to the gaps list. It seems like it will be mostly make work
>>to  
>> try to rationalize the two groups so it would be more efficient to just
>> 
>> merge the efforts  now.
>
>The list will hang around forever, but headlights efforts are meant to be
> 
>short-term (a few months). So I suspect it goes the other way around - a
>good outcome for that group would be that a sperset of CoreMob keeps
>going  
>with it.
>
>Note that there is already a WebTV Interest Group - effectively the model
> 
>that Jo is suggesting. I think the model is good. The group has staff
>resources which helps them navigate W3C, and they have committed members
>who do the necessary real work.
>
>So they talk amongst their peers to get some sense of what they really
>need (which is usually something slightly different from what they
>thought  
>when they started), and then do the hard work in the relevant groups
>(HTML, Webapps, etc) to standardise in the context of the Web Platform,
>which they recognise as bigger than TV while also showing that TV is one
>part of it.
>
>> Re continued spec work, does anyone have any real data about how the
>> CoreMob spec was actually used (other than as an input to
>> public-test-infra)? For instance did any proprietary browser vendor or
>> OSS browser engine implement feature X/Y/Z specifically because that
>> feature/spec was listed in CoreMob?
>
>I have no real data, but I claim that it was valuable to have specs
>listed.
>
>It's not a one-way exercise - vendors also seek to "manipulate" the list,
> 
>to manage expectations (the price of everything being in public), but I
>think it is really quite useful.
>
>I've also seen large groups of game developers interested in the
>approach.  
>I think it's good to get a segment of the industry looking like this, and
> 
>encourage them to provide their input in the wider forum where it can get
> 
>taken up for real.
>
>> Re IG vs. CG, I can see +/- both ways but it seems to me that the most
>> efficient thing to do is to continue this group as is and rather than
>> debate group structure, spend energy on #1 or #2 above or The Gaps
>>stuff.
>
>Yeah, I don't think we should lose a lot of sleep on what is most
>effective. There are benefits to an IG, and the potential drawbacks look
>mostly theoretical to me, so I lean that way right now. But mostly we
>should focus on doing work instead of talking about it...
>
>cheers
>
>Chaals
>
>-- 
>Charles McCathie Nevile - Consultant (web standards) CTO Office, Yandex
>       chaals@yandex-team.ru         Find more at http://yandex.com
>


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