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Re: Ringmark is now open source

From: <andrea.trasatti@nokia.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:06:54 +0000
To: <robin@berjon.com>
CC: <public-coremob@w3.org>
Message-ID: <641A971D-F18C-48AF-B7E1-3367B33BFFB5@nokia.com>
On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:11 AM, ext Robin Berjon wrote:

> On Apr 12, 2012, at 06:08 , <andrea.trasatti@nokia.com> <andrea.trasatti@nokia.com> wrote:
>> Can we forget about market share and can we focus on what the developers need in order to create these Web apps? We should define what a Web app is, at least at high level. A very rough definition could be "A Web app is an application developed using a mix of HTML, JS and CSS, accessible via a user agent, self-contained and mimicking the behaviour of a native application". This has a bit of my own thinking and a bit stolen from Dom's blog [1].
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> That sounds a lot like what we're already doing, can you specify in which ways it is different?
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>> Once we have this basic definition we can move on to identify which browser features (not browsers or browser versions), present in current browsers (and again we MUST define a time window because who knows what Opera Mini can do with an update very soon!), allow Web developers to create such Web apps. This would be ring 0.
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> Once again, no one is excluding Opera Mini. I very much look forward to the day that OM can run great client-side apps of the Top100 kind.
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> But to be more precise, in what way is the above different from the current (admittedly very drafty) R0 document? We need more change requests and fewer meta discussions please.

The way I read the Wiki was "Android and iOS are the market leaders and can do X,Y,Z, so R0, as an observation of the current market covers X,Y,Z". As pointed out by many it is a misleading statement in the first place and hence the conclusion sounds wrong as well. Also, it starts from what the devices offer, not from what developers use and want to use.

So, it is possible that the result will be the same, but the perspective that I propose is different, i.e. "which are the technologies that developers need to develop Web apps TODAY and what will they need 1 year, 2 years, 5 years from now?". Everyone loves the Henry Ford quote about cars and horses, my feeling is that you are trying to describe a horse, but you should be talking about "how to go from A to B" and then find how to do it.

As many people on this thread, I am already worn out and will stop commenting unless specifically asked.

Andrea
Received on Thursday, 12 April 2012 14:07:33 UTC

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