Re: chemistry speech

Thanks:
Hope someone can take care.
Kind regards

2022-08-02 18:32 GMT+02:00, Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>:
> Noelia,
>
> Translating MathCAT is a bigger deal than translating most applications
> because all the math characters and phrases need translating. The number of
> translations reach into the larger hundreds of items. I've tried to set up
> MathCAT so that translation is easier than it was in MathPlayer and I hope
> to be able to bring over some of the translations that were used for
> MathPlayer (which includes Spanish), but I've been holding off on this as
> I'm still adding new rules. Keeping the translations in sync between
> languages is tricky. You can't just translate the words as different
> languages speak math differently beyond just words. E.g., Asian languages
> tend to reverse the direction that fractions are read ("b under a") and
> other languages have 'one, many, and plural' vs. 'one and plural'. So the
> actual rules used sometimes need to be modified in addition to the rules.
> This means I need to find translators who know not just the language, but
> also have some mathematical knowledge of how notations are spoken in that
> language.
>
>     Neil
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:15 AM Noelia <nrm1977@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello:
>>
>> Sorry since my answer won't help you too much. Just to say that I'm a
>> user of NVDA from Spain and I'm glad seeing this topic in this group.
>> I know how to translate subscript in Spanish, and also how water
>> expression is said in my language. Hope this considers also that
>> strings have to be translated, and I don't know if every rule has a
>> correspondence in different languages.
>> This is just to say thanks.
>> Kind regards
>>
>> 2022-08-02 18:08 GMT+02:00, Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>:
>> > Yes, you are correct (although with spaces). Eg. "cap C 6 cap H 12 cap
>> > 0
>> 6"
>> > for the first one. Someone has started filling in responses (thanks!)
>> > but
>> > I'm very dubious that the use of the word "subscript" is appropriate to
>> > speak chemistry notation. I've never heard anyone say "cap H subscript
>> > 2
>> > cap 0" for water. It is always "H 2 O".
>> >
>> >     Neil
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:07 AM Eleanor.Crabb
>> > <eleanor.crabb@open.ac.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Neil
>> >>
>> >> Great to see the progress underway. Apologies for the very basic
>> >> question,
>> >> but please can I check that when you are asking for preferred speech
>> that
>> >> you are asking for us to describe the examples along the lines of the
>> >> previous suggestions eg CapCCapHsub2CapO for the initial example of
>> CH2O.
>> >> Not sure how the group wants to tackle this. Should we divide these up
>> >> among volunteers or perhaps meet to go through these?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> With best wishes
>> >>
>> >> Eleanor
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>
>> >> *Sent:* 02 August 2022 06:03
>> >> *To:* Chemistry CG <public-chem-web-pub@w3.org>
>> >> *Subject:* chemistry speech
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> I'm close to making Chemistry Speech work with MathCAT (in NVDA).
>> >> However,
>> >> I'm not sure that the words I'm using are correct. I have produced a
>> >> google
>> >> doc with many sample notations
>> >> <
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1yjNc1rY3q73Cf1UKPVsnhG0AXjJCu4M8dXAUJdBpRic%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=05%7C01%7Celeanor.crabb%40open.ac.uk%7Cecb3e9dc411e47f57e8008da744448ce%7C0e2ed45596af4100bed3a8e5fd981685%7C0%7C0%7C637950133872201673%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=552rVVDsymn6CgIRt1KZ3b3TQSHL1AZJnc3zPV6b%2FTc%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> >> and symbols. They are broken into three tables:
>> >>
>> >>    - Chemical Formulas
>> >>    - Chemical Equations
>> >>    - Symbols
>> >>
>> >> I would appreciate it if the group or individuals in the group would
>> fill
>> >> in the column for "Preferred Speech". I know Google Docs aren't
>> >> particularly accessible for math, so in addition to the displayed
>> >> chemistry, there is also the LaTeX mchem input.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am planning to release a new version of MathCAT with the chemistry
>> >> speech in it in 2.5 weeks before I go on a long summer holiday. I'd
>> >> appreciate getting feedback within two weeks so I can get the
>> >> preferred
>> >> speech into that release. Apologies for the short timeframe.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Neil
>> >>
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