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RE: CDR: Event-related markup

From: Jon Ferraiolo <jonf@adobe.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:18:00 -0800
Message-ID: <6ECA24BE410D994496A2AE995367C5C86438AF@namail3.corp.adobe.com>
To: "Bjoern Hoehrmann" <derhoermi@gmx.net>, "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: "Charles McCathieNevile" <chaals@opera.com>, <public-cdf@w3.org>

Bjoern,
Very minor correction - sXBL does not define its own handler element. It inherits script and handler elements from its host language.

sXBL does define an sxbl:handlerGroup element, but this is to allow a component developer to create event handler "templates" which cause the enclosed event handlers to be attached to each instance of a component. With sXBL, the contents of sxbl:handlerGroup are event handlers from the host language, such as svg:handler.

It looks as if the Mozilla XBL2 spec has something similar to sxbl:handerGroup with xbl2:handlers (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xbl/xbl2.html#handlers0), but Mozilla XBL2 also defines its own xbl2:handler element (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xbl/xbl2.html#the-handler). My guess is that Ian&friends recognized that it makes sense to have a handler element that is different than html:script and that it is easier to add a handler element to the XBL2 spec (and sell XBL2 to the W3C) than the more general-purpose approaches of adding a handler element to XHTML or adding a handler element to XML Events (and thereby making XML Events a prerequisite for XBL2). Given progress on CDF/WICD, I expect that XML Events will get universalized in the not-too-distant future such that it works across both XHTML and SVG within the context of WICD, in which case my vote would be to add a handler element to XML Events rather than the future W3C XBL spec.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: public-cdf-request@w3.org [mailto:public-cdf-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern Hoehrmann
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:30 PM
To: Maciej Stachowiak
Cc: Charles McCathieNevile; public-cdf@w3.org
Subject: Re: CDR: Event-related markup


* Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> Note that there is no XML Events Working Group. The HTML Working Group
>> was chartered to maintain XML Events, but the charter expired long ago
>> in 2004 as you can read on http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Activity so there
>> wasn't and isn't any maintenance of the Recommendation. Which is quite
>> a problem, I recently implemented XML Events plus the modifications
>> defined in SVG Tiny 1.2 and most of it did not make much sense at all,
>> XML Events alone even less.
>
>In that case it seems like a major problem for any other spec to  
>depend on XML Events.

Yes, I'm very worried about the SVG Working Group's decision to somehow
adopt vanilla XML Events, just like I was and still am worried about the
http://www.w3.org/mid/42b4d54f.193020078@smtp.bjoern.hoehrmann.de new
similar but different <handler> elements, XHTML 2.0 has one, XBL2 has
another, sXBL has its own, then SVG 1.2 joins the club, and so on. It's
a pity but it seems it's less work to reinvent this for each format
rather than to invent it just once.
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