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RE: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"

From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:10:56 -0000
Message-ID: <C8FFD98530207F40BD8D2CAD608B50B401BC835A@mtldsvr01.DotMobi.local>
To: "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org>
Cc: "Charles McCathieNevile" <chaals@opera.com>, "Yeliz Yesilada" <yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk>, "Bruce Lawson" <brucel@opera.com>, <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Thanks Phil, that's interesting and I agree with your conclusions, however, I'm not sure that this was the specific suite that we looked at ref whether display:none suppressed the download of images. 

Jo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org]
> Sent: 05 March 2009 20:36
> To: Jo Rabin
> Cc: Charles McCathieNevile; Yeliz Yesilada; Bruce Lawson; public-
> bpwg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"
> 
> The results are at [1]. I'm acutely aware of this data as I've just
> written a module for the Intro to MWBP course on the safe use of
> various
> things, including CSS. It's hard to recommend using CSS media types
> when
> support for it is so uneven.
> 
> Phil.
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/mth/results?ts=cssmedia

> 
> Jo Rabin wrote:
> >> should thikn about what they include everywhere. But if some
> resource
> >> (e.g. an image) is display none, then it doesn't get downloaded.
> Which
> >
> > Well, obviously time moves on and browser implementations improve.
> However, as I recall, when we tested this in the BPWG earlier in our
> history iirc it was not by any means universally the case that this is
> so. I expect that Dom has chapter on verse on this, as iirc it was he,
> as ever, that wrote the test for it.
> >
> > Jo
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:chaals@opera.com]
> >> Sent: 05 March 2009 20:18
> >> To: Jo Rabin; Yeliz Yesilada; Bruce Lawson
> >> Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"
> >>
> >> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:06:25 +0100, Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ref Bruce's article: pleased that the work on Shared Web
> Experiences
> >> got
> >>> a nice mention. However, I'm really not a big fan of CSS Media
> >> Queries.
> >>> Seems like a lot of cost and delay can go into downloading stuff
> that
> >>> ultimately has a display:none on it. Why serve stuff in the first
> >> place
> >>> if it isn't going to be viewed?
> >> For content inside the page, that's a fair question (and means
> people
> >> should thikn about what they include everywhere. But if some
> resource
> >> (e.g. an image) is display none, then it doesn't get downloaded.
> Which
> >> is
> >> easier for most people than doing some server-side magic to figure
> out
> >> who
> >> should get what.
> >>
> >> cheers
> >>
> >>> Jo
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-
> request@w3.org]
> >>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Yeliz Yesilada
> >>>> Sent: 05 March 2009 17:02
> >>>> To: Bruce Lawson
> >>>> Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Bruce,
> >>>>
> >>>> Great article....This feels like deja vu all over again :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeliz.
> >>>> On 5 Mar 2009, at 13:58, Bruce Lawson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:21:18 -0000, <gina@alierra.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I completely agree with Jakob Nielsen in all aspects mentioned,
> >>>>> I disagreed with him, and wrote up my personal thoughts at ZDnet
> >>>>> http://zi.ma/6460b8

> >>>>>
> >>>>> . Anyway, I absolutely sure
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> problem will be solved in early future.
> >>>>> Yes, I think convergence is rapidly occurring.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bruce
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Bruce Lawson
> >>>>> Web Evangelist
> >>>>> www.opera.com (work)
> >>>>> www.brucelawson.co.uk (personal)
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charles McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
> >>      je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk
> >> http://my.opera.com/chaals       Try Opera: http://www.opera.com

> 
> --
> 
> Phil Archer
> W3C Mobile Web Initiative
> http://www.w3.org/Mobile/

> http://philarcher.org/

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