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RE: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"

From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:28:39 -0000
Message-ID: <C8FFD98530207F40BD8D2CAD608B50B401BC834E@mtldsvr01.DotMobi.local>
To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <chaals@opera.com>, "Yeliz Yesilada" <yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk>, "Bruce Lawson" <brucel@opera.com>
Cc: <public-bpwg@w3.org>
> should thikn about what they include everywhere. But if some resource
> (e.g. an image) is display none, then it doesn't get downloaded. Which

Well, obviously time moves on and browser implementations improve. However, as I recall, when we tested this in the BPWG earlier in our history iirc it was not by any means universally the case that this is so. I expect that Dom has chapter on verse on this, as iirc it was he, as ever, that wrote the test for it.

Jo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:chaals@opera.com]
> Sent: 05 March 2009 20:18
> To: Jo Rabin; Yeliz Yesilada; Bruce Lawson
> Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"
> 
> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:06:25 +0100, Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi> wrote:
> 
> > Ref Bruce's article: pleased that the work on Shared Web Experiences
> got
> > a nice mention. However, I'm really not a big fan of CSS Media
> Queries.
> > Seems like a lot of cost and delay can go into downloading stuff that
> > ultimately has a display:none on it. Why serve stuff in the first
> place
> > if it isn't going to be viewed?
> 
> For content inside the page, that's a fair question (and means people
> should thikn about what they include everywhere. But if some resource
> (e.g. an image) is display none, then it doesn't get downloaded. Which
> is
> easier for most people than doing some server-side magic to figure out
> who
> should get what.
> 
> cheers
> 
> > Jo
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Yeliz Yesilada
> >> Sent: 05 March 2009 17:02
> >> To: Bruce Lawson
> >> Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"
> >>
> >> Hi Bruce,
> >>
> >> Great article....This feels like deja vu all over again :)
> >>
> >> Yeliz.
> >> On 5 Mar 2009, at 13:58, Bruce Lawson wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:21:18 -0000, <gina@alierra.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I completely agree with Jakob Nielsen in all aspects mentioned,
> >> >
> >> > I disagreed with him, and wrote up my personal thoughts at ZDnet
> >> > http://zi.ma/6460b8

> >> >
> >> > . Anyway, I absolutely sure
> >> >> this
> >> >> problem will be solved in early future.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I think convergence is rapidly occurring.
> >> >
> >> > bruce
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bruce Lawson
> >> > Web Evangelist
> >> > www.opera.com (work)
> >> > www.brucelawson.co.uk (personal)
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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