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[minutes] Thursday 31 July 2008

From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:26:42 +0200
Message-ID: <4891D9B2.7020706@w3.org>
To: MWI BPWG Public <public-bpwg@w3.org>

Hi,

The minutes of today's call are available at:
  http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html

and copied as text below.


Resolutions taken during the call:

On the Last Call of Widgets:
- Bryan to weave together jo's and his own comments as put on list and 
submit them as BP response to the Widgets requirements doc

On Content Transformation Guidelines:
- BPWG requests transition of current Draft 1o of the Content 
Transformation Guidelines with a Last Call Comment period ending Tuesday 
September 16
- Text proposed by Jo for ISSUE-222 to be forwarded to TAG following a 
week's further discussion on list

On the mobileOK Checker:
- Based on the report from the Checker TF on the completion of the test 
suite and the resolution of the pending bugs, the BPWG happily resolves 
to release version 1.0 of the mobileOK checker. The mobileOK checker 
fulfills the CR exit criterion: "existence of a checker that checks each 
aspect of each test specified in this document"

On August at the beach:
- There will be no call on Thursday August 7th, therefore the next call 
will be Thursday August 28th.


Francois.


31 Jul 2008

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0089.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-irc

Attendees

    Present
           jeffs, francois, jo, rob, dom, Bryan_Sullivan, adam, Drooks,
           yeliz, abel, jsmanrique, miguel, SeanP, Kai

    Regrets
           DavidStorey, Murari, Aaron, Scott, Kai, EdM

    Chair
           Jo

    Scribe
           Bryan, Jo

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Administration
          2. [6]CSS Marquee Spec
          3. [7]Widgets LCWD
          4. [8]Shared Web Experiences / Accessibility Doc
          5. [9]CT Task Force Report
          6. [10]Checker TF
          7. [11]MWABP
          8. [12]mobileOK Scheme
          9. [13]BP 1.5
         10. [14]ISSUEs and ACTIONs
         11. [15]AOB
      * [16]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________

Administration

    Dom: group has been rechartered; before 45 days AC reps need to make
    recommittment to membership in the group.

CSS Marquee Spec

    <Zakim> dom, you wanted to explain the context of the request

    Dom: the reason for comments needed is that CSS Marquee is part of
    CSS Mobile Profile.

Widgets LCWD

    <jo> [17]Thread on Widgets Requirements

      [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0098.html

    <inserted> ScribeNick: jo

    jo: bryan can you step us through this?

    bryan: attempted to make comments in the style of their document

    <francois> [18]Initial comments by Bryan on Widgets

      [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0065.html

    bryan: to make it easier for them
    ... requirements are good and comprehensive - only a few things that
    I would add
    ... per the email, things about declarations in the manifest would
    be good to have more descriptive information as well
    ... what they support, what they are and what they need
    ... so I think disclosure is important

    jo: worried that putting comments in suggested text form

    bryan: yes, but I am now a member of the group

    jo: Oh that makes a difference

    PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Bryan to weave together jo's and his own
    comments as put on list and submit them as BP response to the
    requirements doc

    <dom> +1

    <rob> +1

    <dom> (note that the deadline is tomorrow)

    <francois> +1

    PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Bryan to weave together jo's and his own
    comments as put on list and submit them as BP response to the
    Widgets requirements doc

    <jeffs> +1

    RESOLUTION: Bryan to weave together jo's and his own comments as put
    on list and submit them as BP response to the Widgets requirements
    doc

    <inserted> ScribeNick: Bryan

Shared Web Experiences / Accessibility Doc

    Jo: anything to do other than review/comment?

    <jo> [19]Shared Web Experiences: Barriers Common to Mobile Device
    Users and People with Disabilities.

      [19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences

    Francois: no, that's sufficient. We all should review the article
    and someone could merge the comments.

    Jo: will let them know this may take a while.

    <jo> ACTION: Jo to respond to Shawn to say we are looking at it and
    will get back to them when we get back from the break [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-822 - Respond to Shawn to say we are
    looking at it and will get back to them when we get back from the
    break [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-08-07].

CT Task Force Report

    Yeliz: requests direct comments on common aspects of mobile
    experience related to accessiblity

    <jo> [21]Latest CT Draft

      [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0088.html

    Francois: expect to get CT document to last call very soon. a couple
    things needing discussion: the extension of last call to Sept 16
    (suggested), and
    ... the list of working groups we need to inform about the last
    call.

    <francois> [22]list of WG that should review CT Guidelines

      [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0091.html

    Jo: any action for the group?

    Francois: we can use the official liason through the Hypertext
    Working Group, or a direct contact.

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests transition of current Draft
    1o of the Content Transformation Guidelines with a Last Call Comment
    period ending Tuesday September 16

    Bryan: OMA would be interested since there are
    transformation-related work items there.

    <francois> +1

    <rob> +1

    <jeffs> +1

    <SeanP> +1

    <abel> +1

    <jsmanrique> +1

    +1

    <dom> +1

    RESOLUTION: BPWG requests transition of current Draft 1o of the
    Content Transformation Guidelines with a Last Call Comment period
    ending Tuesday September 16

    <Zakim> rob, you wanted to thank captain Jo for piloting the ship so
    well through wild waters

    <yeliz> +1

    <jo> [23]proposed BP comments on TAG finding on linking alternate
    representations

      [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0095.html

    Jo: action 703 text is ready for ISSUE-222 proposed the text goes
    into the last call if there are no comments to the proposed text on
    the list.

    <jeffs> +1

    <dom> let's take now a resolution that pending any comments, the
    proposed comments will be sent as is

    Francois: expects to have some comments, suggest to wait a week for
    comments

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Text proposed by Jo for ISSUE-222 to be
    forwarded to TAG following a week's further discussion on list

    <jeffs> +1

    <francois> +1

    <dom> +1

    +1

    <abel> +1

    <jsmanrique> +1

    RESOLUTION: Text proposed by Jo for ISSUE-222 to be forwarded to TAG
    following a week's further discussion on list

    <jeffs> +1

    Jo: that should be all the issues taken care of

    <jo> [all open issues relating to CT now dealt with]

    Francois: we can keep the TF open thru early Sept depending upon the
    comments received

Checker TF

    Abel: good progress in the last week; issues resolved, and ready to
    release a new version

    Francois: just one issue left, feel we are ready for version 1
    release.

    Jo: we had earlier resolved that checker could proceed as needed,
    but we can take another resolution now also

    <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Based on the report from the Checker
    TF on the completion of the test suite and the resolution of the
    pending bugs, the BPWG happily resolves to release version 1.0 of
    the mobileOK checker

    <abel> +1

    <jsmanrique> +1

    <jeffs> +1

    +1

    <rob> +1

    <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Based on the report from the Checker
    TF on the completion of the test suite and the resolution of the
    pending bugs, the BPWG happily resolves to release version 1.0 of
    the mobileOK checker. The mobileOK checker fulfills the CR exit
    criterion: "existence of a checker that checks each aspect of each
    test specified in this document"

    <nacho> miguel votes +1 :) he is not on IRC

    <francois> +1

    <abel> +1

    <jeffs> +1

    +1

    <jsmanrique> +1

    <jo> +1

    <rob> +1

    <SeanP> +1

    <yeliz> +1

    <jo> [jo notes the hard work put in by "The musketeers" and by Dom
    and Francois, and thanks them for that]

    RESOLUTION: Based on the report from the Checker TF on the
    completion of the test suite and the resolution of the pending bugs,
    the BPWG happily resolves to release version 1.0 of the mobileOK
    checker. The mobileOK checker fulfills the CR exit criterion:
    "existence of a checker that checks each aspect of each test
    specified in this document"

MWABP

    Jo: we are waiting for comments on the FPWD, right?

    Francois: no comments so far, we are still waiting.

    Jo: next steps?

    Adam: if we get another round of BP suggestions, we can roll them
    in.

    Bryan: will try to reestablish the context by new contributions, per
    my emails

    <dom> [24]7 open issues on BP2

      [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14

    <jo> ACTION: Adam to stimulate another round of discussion on what
    is missing from BP-2 FPWD [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-823 - Stimulate another round of
    discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD [on Adam Connors - due
    2008-08-07].

    Jo: suggests that we also capture the points from the email
    conversation between Kai and Bryan

    <jo> ACTION: Bryan to raise issues on things he's not happy about,
    especially personalisation [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-824 - Raise issues on things he's not
    happy about, especially personalisation [on Bryan Sullivan - due
    2008-08-07].

    <dom> re input for BP2, I sent
    [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0000.htm
    l

      [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0000.html

mobileOK Scheme

    Jo: MobileOK is a bit stuck; Chaals is not around right now, we need
    someone to offer editorial effort in support in the meantime

    Dom: we should give him a couple more weeks, then chair can nominate
    a new editor as needed

    Jo: we need to move quickly to wrap up this with a proposed text

    <jo> noted with gratitude Phil Archer's offer to take
    offer/contribute text and request him to continue with that as a
    "proposed text" what we short out who is the official editor

BP 1.5

    <dom> ISSUE-266?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-266 -- Which mobileOK Pro tests needs the DDC and
    which don't? -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/266

      [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/266

    Kai: sent out a new version of the document; one issue about usage
    of DDC.

    <dom> [29]Kai's proposal to close ISSUE-266

      [29] 
http://www.w3.org/mid/398533C370C23441981074C456AA3BDD031DB90C@QEO00226.de.t-online.corp

    <Zakim> dom, you wanted to comment on ISSUE-266

    Jo: proposal to close 266 as not relevant anymore?

    Dom: agree that some of the issues are not relevant, 266 may still
    be relevant by needing to indicate which tests rely upon the DDC,
    being a useful thing to know.

    Kai: there are some tests that need the DDC, and we can/do make the
    distinction where needed.

    Dom: sees the point, and we can close the issue

    <jo> close ISSUE-266

    <jeffs> +1

    <dom> [I think the formalities aspect can be dealt with once we
    decide to go forward with the publication]

    Kai: since the Mobile OK Pro is a note, I need to know what template
    to use

    Jo: we will come back to that after looking at the draft

    <dom> close ISSUE-266

    <dom> trackbot, close ISSUE-266

    <trackbot> Sorry, dom, I don't understand 'trackbot, close
    ISSUE-266'. Please refer to
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

      [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

    <dom> ISSUE-266 closed

    <dom> [31]7 actions in pending review

      [31] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview

    <Kai> I have closed ISSUE-266

ISSUEs and ACTIONs

    <jo> [special thanks to Dom for this Agendum]

    <francois> ACTION-703?

    <trackbot> ACTION-703 -- Jo Rabin to draft a communication with the
    TAG based on ISSUE-222 -- due 2008-03-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/703

      [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/703

    <jo> close ACTION-703

    <trackbot> ACTION-703 Draft a communication with the TAG based on
    ISSUE-222 closed

    <jo> ACTION: Jo to send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week
    [recorded in
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-825 - Send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1
    week [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-08-07].

    <francois> ACTION-785?

    <trackbot> ACTION-785 -- Kai Scheppe to check the personalization
    section for specific parts that seem to imply combination of
    personal information with usage patterns -- due 2008-06-24 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/785

      [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/785

    <jo> close ACTION-785

    <trackbot> ACTION-785 Check the personalization section for specific
    parts that seem to imply combination of personal information with
    usage patterns closed

    <francois> ACTION-786?

    <trackbot> ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix
    that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are
    different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786

      [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786

    <francois> ACTION-792?

    <trackbot> ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG --
    due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792

      [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792

    <francois> ACTION-793?

    <trackbot> ACTION-793 -- Kai Scheppe to work with Scott to produce
    proposed text on caching that goes beyond BP 1 -- due 2008-06-24 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793

      [37] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793

    <francois> ACTION-798?

    <trackbot> ACTION-798 -- Kai Scheppe to work proposed changes into
    the mobileOK Pro document and then turn it over to the group -- due
    2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [38]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/798

      [38] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/798

    <francois> ACTION-809?

    <trackbot> ACTION-809 -- François Daoust to prepare official
    responses to the two comments. -- due 2008-07-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/809

      [39] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/809

    <jo> close ACTION-798

    <trackbot> ACTION-798 Work proposed changes into the mobileOK Pro
    document and then turn it over to the group closed

    <jo> close ACTION-809

    <trackbot> ACTION-809 Prepare official responses to the two
    comments. closed

AOB

    Francois: there are some sites no longer passing Mobile OK, we
    should give them a chance to fix it.
    ... the exclusion period ends Aug 9th and we can't move forward
    before then, so the sites have a chance to get fixed

    <jo> francois notes that the call for exclusions is still open on
    mobileOK Basic Tests, till 9 Aug, can move to PR once that is
    complete and the sties that were mobileOK become so again

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: There will be no call on Thursday August
    7th, therefore the next call will be Thursday August 28th.

    <francois> +1

    <jeffs> +1

    <Kai> +1

    <yeliz> +1

    <dom> +1

    Jo: we have a group recommendation in BP1, three cheers!

    +

    <aconnors> +10

    +1

    <abel> +1

    <SeanP> +1

    RESOLUTION: There will be no call on Thursday August 7th, therefore
    the next call will be Thursday August 28th.

    <jeffs> happy vacation

    <jo> -- adjourned --

    <yeliz> bye

    <abel> bye

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Adam to stimulate another round of discussion on what
    is missing from BP-2 FPWD [recorded in
    [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: Bryan to raise issues on things he's not happy about,
    especially personalisation [recorded in
    [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: Jo to respond to Shawn to say we are looking at it and
    will get back to them when we get back from the break [recorded in
    [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Jo to send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week
    [recorded in
    [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]

    [End of minutes]
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