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RE: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]

From: Miguel Garcia <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:15:04 +0100
Message-ID: <09700B613C4DD84FA9F2FEA52188281902A67B7F@ayalga.fundacionctic.org>
To: "Alan Chuter" <achuter@technosite.es>
Cc: "Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force" <public-bpwg-access@w3.org>, "MWI MWBP Member List" <member-bpwg@w3.org>

Hi,

Yes, I agree with removing last sentence "However, there is debate about...."

In WCAG 1.0 compliance paragraph specify default values are needed for all text controls in order to achivec WCAG 1.0 compliance.

[proposed update]
Does it give me WCAG 1.0 compliance?: If default values are used >>in all text controls<< this ensures compliance with checkpoint 10.4 "Until user agents handle empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in edit boxes and text areas" for the controls concerned.
[end proposed update]

Miguel


>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>De: achuter1@gmail.com [mailto:achuter1@gmail.com] En nombre de Alan
>>Chuter
>>Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2007 13:15
>>Para: Miguel Garcia
>>CC: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List
>>Asunto: Re: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]
>>
>>Hi Miguel,
>>
>>Thanks for your input. I have removed the comment and changed the text
>>(not yet online) to the following:
>>
>>[updated text]
>>How does it help especially users with disabilities?: While this BP is
>>primarily motivated by the limitations of the input mechanism of the
>>mobile device (for example, a small numeric keypad), it also helps
>>users who have difficulty using their chosen input device.
>>
>>Does it give me WCAG 1.0 compliance?: If default values are used this
>>ensures compliance with checkpoint 10.4 "Until user agents handle
>>empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in
>>edit boxes and text areas" for the controls concerned. However, there
>>is debate about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle
>>empty input boxes correctly.
>>[end updated text]
>>
>>Perhaps we should remove the last sentence "However, there is debate
>>about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle empty input
>>boxes correctly"? This document isn't really the place to debate
>>whether the checkpoint is obsolete or not.
>>
>>best regards,
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>[1] http://juicystudio.com/article/default-place-holding-characters.php
>>On 28/11/2007, Miguel Garcia <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org> wrote:
>>> WCAG 1.0 refers to place-holding text while MWBP refers to default
>>values.
>>> Default values could be used as place-holing text (instead of "Your name
>>here" it could be "Miguel") with no drawback. But [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]
>>doesn't guarantee compliance with WCAG 10.4 checkpoint as default values
>>are required only on suitable controls whereas place-holding text are
>>required in all controls.
>>>
>>> The comment should be included in the text pointing out they are
>>diferent checkpoints.
>>>
>>> Miguel
>>>
>>>
>>> >>-----Mensaje original-----
>>> >>De: public-bpwg-access-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-access-
>>> >>request@w3.org] En nombre de Alan Chuter
>>> >>Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2007 12:02
>>> >>Para: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List
>>> >>Asunto: Re: [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] (was 'Summary table in section 3')
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>I have inserted an explanation that should maybe included directly in
>>> >>the text. the BP is incorrect. What do other people think about this?
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>Alan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>[1]
>>>
>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED
>>-
>>> >>mwbp-wcag-20071125#PROVIDE_DEFAULTS
>>> >>
>>> >>On 17/10/2007, David Torres <dtorres@technosite.es> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In the summary table of the Section 3 [1], How Mobile Best Practices
>>can
>>> >>> Benefit Users with Disabilities, I get confused because the
>>checkpoint
>>> >>> 10.4 has no relation with the MWBP [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] and, however,
>>in
>>> >>> Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 document that relation exists.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [1]
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED
>>-
>>> >>mwb
>>> >>> p-wcag-20071017
>>> >>>
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>>> >>>
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>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>
>>
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