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RE: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]

From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:30:38 -0000
Message-ID: <C8FFD98530207F40BD8D2CAD608B50B49054A0@mtldsvr01.DotMobi.local>
To: "Alan Chuter" <achuter@technosite.es>, <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org>
Cc: "Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force" <public-bpwg-access@w3.org>, "MWI MWBP Member List" <member-bpwg@w3.org>

To be fair to the BP it does say that it "relates to 10.4" which 
Given that we are discussing how the BP and 10.4 are indeed related, is fair enough.

Jo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: member-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:member-bpwg-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Alan Chuter
> Sent: 28 November 2007 12:15
> To: miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org
> Cc: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List
> Subject: Re: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]
> 
> Hi Miguel,
> 
> Thanks for your input. I have removed the comment and changed the text
> (not yet online) to the following:
> 
> [updated text]
> How does it help especially users with disabilities?: While this BP is
> primarily motivated by the limitations of the input mechanism of the
> mobile device (for example, a small numeric keypad), it also helps
> users who have difficulty using their chosen input device.
> 
> Does it give me WCAG 1.0 compliance?: If default values are used this
> ensures compliance with checkpoint 10.4 "Until user agents handle
> empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in
> edit boxes and text areas" for the controls concerned. However, there
> is debate about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle
> empty input boxes correctly.
> [end updated text]
> 
> Perhaps we should remove the last sentence "However, there is debate
> about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle empty input
> boxes correctly"? This document isn't really the place to debate
> whether the checkpoint is obsolete or not.
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> [1] http://juicystudio.com/article/default-place-holding-characters.php
> On 28/11/2007, Miguel Garcia <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org> wrote:
> > WCAG 1.0 refers to place-holding text while MWBP refers to default
> values.
> > Default values could be used as place-holing text (instead of "Your name
> here" it could be "Miguel") with no drawback. But [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]
> doesn't guarantee compliance with WCAG 10.4 checkpoint as default values
> are required only on suitable controls whereas place-holding text are
> required in all controls.
> >
> > The comment should be included in the text pointing out they are
> diferent checkpoints.
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> >
> > >>-----Mensaje original-----
> > >>De: public-bpwg-access-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-access-
> > >>request@w3.org] En nombre de Alan Chuter
> > >>Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2007 12:02
> > >>Para: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List
> > >>Asunto: Re: [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] (was 'Summary table in section 3')
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I have inserted an explanation that should maybe included directly in
> > >>the text. the BP is incorrect. What do other people think about this?
> > >>
> > >>Regards,
> > >>
> > >>Alan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>[1]
> >
> >>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED
> -
> > >>mwbp-wcag-20071125#PROVIDE_DEFAULTS
> > >>
> > >>On 17/10/2007, David Torres <dtorres@technosite.es> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> In the summary table of the Section 3 [1], How Mobile Best Practices
> can
> > >>> Benefit Users with Disabilities, I get confused because the
> checkpoint
> > >>> 10.4 has no relation with the MWBP [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] and, however,
> in
> > >>> Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 document that relation exists.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]
> > >>>
> >
> >>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED
> -
> > >>mwb
> > >>> p-wcag-20071017
> > >>>
> > >>> David Torres Leal
> > >>> Consultor
> > >>> Technosite - Grupo Fundosa
> > >>> Tlf: 93 238 71 32
> > >>> Fax: 93 415 04 62
> > >>> www.technosite.es
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
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> 
> 
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