- From: Chris Harding <chris@lacibus.net>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:03:36 +0100
- To: "public-aikr@w3.org" <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <5B5F28C8.1090905@lacibus.net>
Hi, Paola - This image captures the idea of a knowledge representation as a shared artifact of a community supported by IT. I couldn't work out how to post it to the website, so it's attached. Paola Di Maio wrote: > Thanks again for joining - few more interesting people in the last > couple of weeks, - we'd like to hear from everyone! Pls dont be shy > and intro yourself via this thread - This CG plans to become a WG > within six months or so and we need everybody's juice for us to be > able to do so ! > > Below a quick summary of what we are discussing and where you input is > appreciated: > Feel free to add to the plan, pages should be editable. > > 1. some homework - please start collecting (in your notepads) a few > terms and key resources to add to our 'knowledge base' (KB), these > will be entered in our forms (see 2) and used as the basis for > discussions, activities and the formation of our vocabulary/ies and > concept maps - After we finalize the forms/spreadsheets pls use the > links on the CG home page to populate the sheets > > 2. the KB/forms: at the moment, on the home page, our KB proposed > structure consists of two forms /spreadsheets to gather member > inputs. There is discussion to have a third form to gather non > technical terminology - possibly policy, governance, ethics. legal > I envisage these three resources (or more) will result being 'facets' > of our AI KR model somewhere along the lines. Does anybody have any > suggestions or comments, are these forms ok , can we start populating > them? (I apologise for wrecking initial entries, I had to split the > first form, unlink the test spreadsheets after some tweaks were made > and some entries were lost, please be patient) > > 3. As cognitive support for this work I have created a rather > primitive diagram, a proper collaborative mind map follows - thoughts? > suggestions? preferences? (something simple free and offering adequate > functionality) > https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1iFRf72Y6oqziarvM-QZsqjVmNxKxtrjjRx5dY5JX60Y/edit?usp=sharing > You'll find this linked on the homepage together with a list of TOPICS > that will serve as > guide for our work - please take a look at the topics, I have gathered > them from new research and I am quite excited to find so many > interesting words and concepts that nee to be defined and represented > in some way > > 4. I hope we can gather online for some kind of group call in > September or so, to start evaluating > what resources have been gathered in the summer - but anyone > wishing to do a call before or anything else, feel free to do so, > please invite everyone via this list > > 5. feel free to enter your thoughts about this CG in the survey > (linked on the home page) or jot them down for later discussion > > > anything else? > > cheers > > PDM > > > Based on other work, and anticipating future developments > (Milton mentioned subgroups) I have created a page subgroups, and > opened two additional pages as containers for future subgroups > where some work may be needed (AI Ethics KR and Professional schemas). > Feel free to edit, add, enter etc > https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/subgroups/ > <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/subgroups/> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 1:47 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program > <metadataportals@yahoo.com <mailto:metadataportals@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Milton Ponson. I am a mathematician who is interested > in knowledge representation in general and the science of knowledge. > > I have acquired multiple perspectives on knowledge and knowledge > representation through my interests in genetics, quantum physics > and the hard core theories behind string theory, quantum physics, > relativity theory, grand unified theories and how we model > knowledge and arrive at theories using formal mathematics. > > I have also bee active for the last twenty plus years in > everything related to sustainable development, and thus also > ethical issues like technology assessment and science assessment. > > And finally to get a non-western perspective have had a look at > Buddhist logic and the formal thought systems of Madhyamaka > Buddhist tradition in particular which describes verbally how we > perceive our inner world and external world and the role therein > of our often misleading sensory systems. > > Buddhism also teaches us some practical points of what makes us > human and what constitutes the single most important external > traits, being empathy and compassion. > > Humans are genetically hardwired as carbon based biological > entities to do things in certain ways. > > The Blue Brain project (bluebrain.epfl.ch > <http://bluebrain.epfl.ch>) aims to digitally reconstruct and > simulate the brain. > > It is my starting point to draw an overview map of all interlinked > disciplines which all have in common knowledge, cognition and > several other concepts associated with reasoning, decision-making > and acting and/or reacting upon (sensory) input, environmental > paramaters and data. > > Hope to share this with you soon for further discussion and twaeking > Milton Ponson > GSM: +297 747 8280 > PO Box 1154, Oranjestad > Aruba, Dutch Caribbean > Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable > development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative > research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and > standards development > > > On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:26 PM, carl mattocks > <carlmattocks@gmail.com <mailto:carlmattocks@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Greetings: > > > I am Carl Mattocks, for 30 + years I have taken a pragmatic > approach in developing AI & KR capabilities. Thus I easily > accepted Paola's suggestion to name the group AIKR. > I suggested the ChatBot centric areas because I believe to have > any chance of proven success, AIKR must be applied as in, have a > national language / discipline specific context / domains / > dimensions / vectors etc. > > I support the idea that (1) the vocabulary should include KR > terms as well as AI terms; (2) knowledge is best stewarded as a > property of a community-of-practice; (3) AIKR should be published > in a compendium (4) which is likely to have some kind of > blockchain & AIKR miners. > > > As reference material I start with links to UIMA work .. so we can > take advantage of the NLP oriented capabilities. > > cheers > > Carl Mattocks > http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlmattocks > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlmattocks>carlmattocks@gmail.com > <mailto:carlmattocks@gmail.com> > * > * > Reference: > A number of NLP research institutes based their software > development efforts on UIMA specifications to adhere to emerging > standards. > http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2008/workshops/W16_Proceedings.pdf > <http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2008/workshops/W16_Proceedings.pdf> > > UIMA, the Unstructured Information Management Architecture, is an > open-platform middle-ware for dealing with unstructured > information (text, speech, audio, video data), originally launched > by IBM. > Apache Software Foundation has a project for developing UIMA-based > software > https://uima.apache.org/d/uimaj-2.6.0/tutorials_and_users_guides.html > <https://uima.apache.org/d/uimaj-2.6.0/tutorials_and_users_guides.html>. > > Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information > Standards (OASIS) hosted a Technical > Committee to standardize the UIMA > specification.https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/27025/UIMA_Specification_Draft_v1.doc > <https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/27025/UIMA_Specification_Draft_v1.doc> > A number of NLP research institutes based their software > development efforts on UIMA specifications to adhere to emerging > standards. > http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2008/workshops/W16_Proceedings.pdf > <http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2008/workshops/W16_Proceedings.pdf> > > > It was a pleasure to clarify > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:45 AM, Chris Harding <chris@lacibus.net > <mailto:chris@lacibus.net>> wrote: > > It was the "Knowledge Representation" aspect that attracted me > to join the group. > > AI appears to be about creating computer systems that are like > people. AIKR is partly about the internal design of such > computer systems, but it is also about about communication > between them and about communication between them and people. > The communication aspect is to my mind more important than > internal design. > > My ideas on this are not based on research, but are derived > from many years of experience of participating in and managing > groups of people developing standards - at least some of which > incorporate knowledge. They are not fully formed, or well > expressed, and I hope that through this group I will be able > to connect them with academic and commercial research and > contribute to a group conensus. > > The list of proposed outcomes at > https://www.w3.org/community/a ikr/ > <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/> looks good, and I suggest > starting with the list of resources and the natural language > vocabulary. I propose that the vocabulary should include KR > terms as well as AI terms. (This may have been intended, but > is not explicit.) > > > Paola Di Maio wrote: >> Thank you everyone who introduced themselves, and others >> please do so in your own time. >> >> What motivated the formation of this group initially is a >> need to keep up with the extremely fast moving pace of AI >> progress - even when writing a simple research paper or >> teaching a basic class like 'Introduction to Machine >> Learning' these days it is necessary to keep an eye out for >> new approaches and contexts. There is a lot happening. Things >> are changing by the minute. >> I don't understand the words people use anymore. Everyday I >> need to start a new learning curve. What were once fairly >> clear cut fields of study seem to have shifted (or is it my >> consciosness expanding?) There seems to be new concepts >> coming up all the time. Cognitive ability is linked to >> knowledge representation, both for humans and machines, and I >> thought maybe we can try to grab some of this rapidly >> developing AI knowledge by creating some KR tabs to help us >> figure things out. Even KR is moving but at a less fast pace. >> >> So I started digesting words and concepts and hope that the >> cognitive load is going to become more bearable. Then >> realised there is much to be done in this space, and since >> the web is now part of us in more than one way, our >> interface, our constantly updated database, W3C is open to >> new ideas, why not make a CG. >> >> I am so glad to have so many clever and experienced people on >> the list. Its easy to turn sun open informal efforts into a >> rave party, get distracted with interesting discussions, >> since we all have our own agendas and interesting backgrounds >> and a lot to tell. >> >> Our challenge is to keep the focus, so I beg everyone please >> lets put down explicitly (write in our web pages) some stuff >> we want doing (goals, deliverables whatever) and let's stick >> to it diligently and systematically. >> >> Please share with the group - on separate threads perhaps - >> what you think we should try to achieve, and how? >> What motivates you to join this group? What would like to >> contribute, and what can the group do for you? >> >> I started a few pages with initial thoughts, they should >> editable >> https://www.w3.org/community/a ikr/welcome/ >> <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/> >> >> On a housekeeping note, we may benefit from a co-chair if >> anyone would like to volunteer >> (no particular commitment required) I hope this group will >> become a WG as soon as we have enough juice, and produce a >> lot of nice deliverables, and after achieving some of the >> goals I have initially set (maye publish one or two reports, >> or a journal special issue or something) then I ll be ready >> to pass on the torch to the next chair. >> >> Since it's the summer, I suggest we may relax and ponder on >> the tasks already set out and contribute some thinking and >> some items (start submitting resources, edit the TO DO list >> a bit, etc) and postpone our first virtual meeting until >> September. but if someone/anyone is inclined to call out a >> virtual meeting before the end of the summer please feel free >> to do so. >> >> I am not big with online meetings, prefer to exchange via >> emails, but if virtual meetings become productive I ll make >> the effort. >> >> Personally I am now busy reading new research - tons and >> tons of stuff - and simply >> understanding what it all means. I ll try to pin down a few >> concept/terms definition and submit them to our resource >> depository and will ping the list when I need some input on >> what I am doing >> For now these pages are still drafts, but when everyone has >> had the opportunity to review >> them, we can make the firm and start actioning them, set >> dates etc >> >> Please do the same! >> >> Look forward to learn more about what everybody is doing and >> how can this community >> help! Questions? >> >> Thanks again for joining >> >> PDM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr Paola Di Maio >> Center For Technology Ethics >> ISTCS.org >> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>* >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Alberto Nogales Moyano >> <alberto.nogales@ceiec.es <mailto:alberto.nogales@ceiec.es>> >> wrote: >> >> Dear all >> thanks for creating this group. >> My name is Alberto Nogales, I am a computer scientist and >> have a PhD from University of Alcalá (Spain) related with >> Social Network Analysis of the Web of Linked Data in >> order to improve data retrieval strategies. During the >> last years I have also worked in Technical University in >> Vienna, Technical University in Tallinn and University of >> Málaga. Actually, I work as a researcher and lecturer in >> Universidad Francisco de Vitoria (also in Spain). The >> head of my lab has a huge background in neural networks, >> so we have started to apply Deep Learning models to some >> issues like automatic classification of Linked Data >> sources or data retrieval strategies by applying learning >> to rank. More information about my lab here: >> http://www.ceiec.es/en/ >> >> >> Alberto Nogales Moyano >> PostDoctoral researcher and Lecturer >> CEIEC (Francisco de Vitoria University) >> https://www.researchgate.net/p rofile/Alberto_Nogales >> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alberto_Nogales> >> alberto.nogales@ceiec.es <mailto:alberto.nogales@ceiec.es> >> >> >> >>> On 06 Jul 2018, at 12:34, Paola Di Maio >>> <paola.dimaio@gmail.com <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> seminal article >>> <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1207/s15516709cog0101_2> >> >> > > -- > Regards > > Chris > ++++ > > Chief Executive, Lacibus <https://lacibus.net/> Ltd > chris@lacibus.net <mailto:chris@lacibus.net> > > > > > -- Regards Chris ++++ Chief Executive, Lacibus <https://lacibus.net> Ltd chris@lacibus.net
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