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Re: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration

From: Jon Pyke <gfd67@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:10:45 +0100
Message-ID: <00de01bdf146$5959e430$70080b0a@z2ndj>
To: "Surendra Reddy" <skreddy@us.oracle.com>, "Fernstrom, Christer" <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>, <swap-wg@netscape.com>, <ietf-swap@w3.org>, "Nick Kingsbury (E-mail)" <nkingsbury@cix.co.uk>
Cc: <moore@cs.utk.edu>, <paf@swip.net>
I understand, and accept, the IETF position, but I do not believe the WfMC
is closed - there is a unique opportunity to bring together internet
expertise and workflow expertise and deliver something of real value - BUT -
my perception is that there is a degree of NIH in both camps. From a
pragmatic position, I do not want to be in a position of having to develop
and support two interoperability standards - but this aspect of the
standards is, IMHO, the only bit worth doing so I want to see it done right
and for the good of end users.

What are the proposals (and I aim this question at AIIM/WfMC) for bringing
these two areas of work together.
-----Original Message-----
From: Surendra Reddy <skreddy@us.oracle.com>
To: Jon Pyke <gfd67@dial.pipex.com>; Fernstrom, Christer
<Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>; swap-wg@netscape.com
<swap-wg@netscape.com>; ietf-swap@w3.org <ietf-swap@w3.org>
Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu <moore@cs.utk.edu>; paf@swip.net <paf@swip.net>
Date: 06 October 1998 16:23
Subject: RE: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration


>Jon,
>
>>I thought SWAP was aimed at being a workflow standard
>
>Yes, it is.
>Goal of the SWAP WG  is to provide interoperability protocol for
>heterogeneous workflow engines. There is
>no change  in what this  working group was trying  to solve.  The only
>change  I did to the charter is taking
>out IN-SCOPE and NOT-IN-SCOPE  goals from the  charter and put them in a
>separate document to enable
>us to define more detailed goals.
>
>>- if that's so then I think there is value in working with or as part of
>WfMC
>
>IETF working group cannot be part of closed WfMC. I consider WfMC expertise
>is  very
>valuable  for IETF SWAP WG and all WfMC TC members are most welcome to
>participate in SWAP WG.
>
>In summary, SWAP is a workflow standard and WfMC expertise is very valuable
>and SWAP WG
>will examine and leverage relevant work done by other groups including
WfMC.
>Charter doesnot exclude
>any other working groups involvement in SWAP. Similarly, charter doesnot
>restrict SWAP WG to collaborate
>with other working groups.  Hope this clarifies your concerns.
>
>-Surendra
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jon Pyke [mailto:gfd67@dial.pipex.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:45 PM
>> To: Surendra Reddy; Fernstrom, Christer; swap-wg@netscape.com;
>> ietf-swap@w3.org
>> Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu; paf@swip.net
>> Subject: Re: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I'm losing the plot along the way - I thought SWAP was aimed at
>> being a workflow standard - if that's so then I think there is value in
>> working with or as part of WfMC - SWAP would make an excellent
>> extension to
>> IF4, which I thought was the original intention.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Surendra Reddy <skreddy@us.oracle.com>
>> To: Jon Pyke <gfd67@dial.pipex.com>; Fernstrom, Christer
>> <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>; swap-wg@netscape.com
>> <swap-wg@netscape.com>; ietf-swap@w3.org <ietf-swap@w3.org>
>> Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu <moore@cs.utk.edu>; paf@swip.net <paf@swip.net>
>> Date: 05 October 1998 18:23
>> Subject: RE: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration
>>
>>
>> >SWAP working would consider and evaluate other relevant work done
>> >in other working working groups including WfMC. Working Group
>> >consensus will drive which work can be used and not the charter.
>> >
>> >Any suggestions/opinons in the group.
>> >
>> >Surendra
>> >
>> >|-----Original Message-----
>> >|From: Jon Pyke [mailto:gfd67@dial.pipex.com]
>> >|Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 11:27 AM
>> >|To: Fernstrom, Christer; 'Surendra Reddy'; swap-wg@netscape.com;
>> >|ietf-swap@w3.org
>> >|Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu; paf@swip.net
>> >|Subject: Re: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration
>> >|
>> >|
>> >|To pick up on Christer's point - what exactly is the
>> relationship between
>> >|the SWAP WG and the Coalition - I could be on the wrong mailing
>> lists but
>> I
>> >|have seen nothing for some time which even remotely suggests
>> >|X-fertilization
>> >|of strategy, scope and ideas.
>> >|
>> >|Jon Pyke
>> >|CTO
>> >|Staffware
>> >|-----Original Message-----
>> >|From: Fernstrom, Christer <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>
>> >|To: 'Surendra Reddy' <skreddy@us.oracle.com>; swap-wg@netscape.com
>> >|<swap-wg@netscape.com>; ietf-swap@w3.org <ietf-swap@w3.org>
>> >|Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu <moore@cs.utk.edu>; paf@swip.net <paf@swip.net>
>> >|Date: 05 October 1998 07:40
>> >|Subject: RE: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration
>> >|
>> >|
>> >|>Oughtn't the harmonization with the Workflow Management
>> Coalition be part
>> >|of the goals?
>> >|> christer fernstrom, Xerox Research, France
>> >|>
>> >|>-----Original Message-----
>> >|>From: Surendra Reddy [mailto:skreddy@us.oracle.com]
>> >|>Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:06 PM
>> >|>To: swap-wg@netscape.com; ietf-swap@w3.org
>> >|>Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu; paf@swip.net
>> >|>Subject: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>Here is the second iteration of SWAP Wg charter. I have removed
>> >|>IN-SCOPE and NOT IN-SCOPE goals from the charter. Goals document,
>> >|>which will be published as an informational RFC as first document
>> >|>, describes goals of this working group. I also made some changes
>> >|>to the milestones to make it more realistic. It is time for us
>> >|>to move forward to work the goals document.
>> >|>
>> >|>Apprciate your comments/suggestions.
>> >|>
>> >|>Surendra
>> >|>
>> >|>SWAP -- Simple Workflow Access Protocol Working Group
>> >|>
>> >|>Chair(s)
>> >|>
>> >|>   * Surendra Reddy (skreddy@us.oracle.com)
>> >|>
>> >|>Applications Area Director(s):
>> >|>
>> >|>   * Keith Moore <moore+swap@cs.utk.edu>
>> >|>   * Patrik Faltstrom <paf@swip.net>
>> >|>
>> >|>Area Advisor
>> >|>
>> >|>   * TBD
>> >|>
>> >|>Mailing List Information
>> >|>
>> >|>   * General Discussion: ietf-swap@w3.org
>> >|>   * To Subscribe: send msg to ietf-swap-request@3.org with
"subscribe"
>> >|>     in subject
>> >|>   * Archive:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-swap/
>> >|>   * Documents: http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/swap/
>> >|>
>> >|>Description of Working Group
>> >|>
>> >|>There is no standard way to communicate and interoperate across
>> >|>heterogeneous workflow engines in order to coordinate and execute work
>> >|>process instances across those workflow engines. Most of the solutions
>> >|>exist today are vendor specific. This means that Workflow vendors need
>> >|>to support multiple protocols to enable interoperability
>> between worflow
>> >|>systems.
>> >|>
>> >|>The goal of this working group is to develop the goals and
>> >|requirements for
>> >|>Workflow systems interoperability.
>> >|>
>> >|>The further goal is to define an application level Workflow
>> >|Interoperability
>> >|>protocol. Workflow interoperability goals document defines the
>> >|scope of the
>> >|>protocol.
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>Deliverables
>> >|>
>> >|>The final output of this working group is expected to be four
>> documents:
>> >|>
>> >|>1. A workflow interoperability goals document, which describes
>> the scope
>> >|>    and limitations of the protocol.
>> >|>
>> >|>2. A requirements document, which describes the high-level functional
>> >|>   requirements for Simple Workflow Access Protocol, including
>> rationale.
>> >|>
>> >|>3. A scenarios document, a description of how this protocol can be
used
>> >|>   effectively.
>> >|>
>> >|>4. A protocol specification, which describes methods, request
>> bodies, and
>> >|>   response bodies, to implement the  Simple Workflow Access Protocol
>> >|>   requirements.
>> >|>
>> >|>Goals and Milestones
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|> Oct 98  Publish Simple Workflow Access Protocol goals document
>> >|as Internet
>> >|> Draft.
>> >|>
>> >|> Nov 98  Submit revised versions of Requirements, Scenarios and goals
>> >|documents
>> >|>         as Internet-Drafts.
>> >|>
>> >|> Feb 99  Submit goals document as an informational RFC
>> >|>         Submit revised protocol specification document as
>> Internet Draft
>> >|>
>> >|> Jun 99 Issue WG last call for requirements, scenarios and protocol
>> >|specification
>> >|>
>> >|> Jul 99  Submit requirements and scenarios documents as informational
>> RFCs
>> >|>
>> >|> Sep 99  Submit SWAP specification as a proposed standard
>> >|>
>> >|>Current Internet-Drafts
>> >|>
>> >|> Requirements for Simple Workflow Access Protocol(http://
>> >|> www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sreddy-swap-requirements-01.txt)
>> >|>
>> >|> SWAP Specification(strawman) ( http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>> >|> draft-swenson-swap-prot-00.txt).
>> >|>
>> >|>No Request For Comments
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>
>> >|>------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >|---------
>> >|--
>> >|>Surendra K Reddy, Data Server Division, Oracle Corporation
>> >|>phone: +1(650) 506 5441 . mobile: +1(650) 867 4757 . fax: +1(650) 506
>> 7228
>> >|>email: skreddy@us.oracle.com . URL:
>> >|http://www-skreddy.us.oracle.com(Internal)
>> >|>URL: http://www.skreddy.com(external)
>> >|>
>> >|>Disclaimer : The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and
>> >|>             do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation.
>> >|>
>> >|
>> >|
>> >
>>
>>
>
Received on Tuesday, 6 October 1998 12:32:54 GMT

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