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Re: A proposal

From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:25:58 +1100
Cc: Roy Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com>
Message-Id: <94929FC9-07FD-4562-86BD-A3A74308B052@mnot.net>
To: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Gentlemen,

This thread is off-topic for this list, as per <http://www.w3.org/mid/21ACB8E5-BC29-4725-8333-7B96E3364AE9@mnot.net>. Please focus on proposing text for the spec.

Cheers,


On 20/11/2013, at 12:17 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:

> In message <CABaLYCvkt8y5CW-SiZx4UGZ_ns+FbKtkiKnAQzf38fXQ7ScHoA@mail.gmail.com>
> , Mike Belshe writes:
> 
>> As we're all aware, there are about 200 countries on this planet.  Many of
>> the governments of these countries are using packet siphoning as a key
>> information gathering technique.  It's easy today.  They do this for many
>> protocols beyond just HTTP.  But what do they do with this information?  We
>> know the answer to this too - they are out to kill their dissidents.
> 
> You need better sources on foreign policy than you currently rely on.
> 
> For one thing, Wikipedia only knows of 23 countries which currently
> have capital punishment is a legal outcome.
> 
> I'm not aware of more than a handful of really uncivilized countries
> which can legally kill or even indefinite detain ("life without
> parole") people for political crimes.
> 
> 
>> So when we don't protect everything from generic siphoning, we are
>> facilitating murders and genocides.  Is this dramatic?  Yeah its dramatic.
>> But is it untrue?  No.
> 
> Yes, very dramatic.
> 
> And in fact untrue and unsubstantiated by any evidence I am aware of.
> 
> People are in fact not widely persecuted for reading the news or
> watching movies or even porn.
> 
> Where and when they are, they are almost invariably sentenced on
> either independent evidence, usually witnesses or police informers,
> or on traffic logs which merely show that packets flowed between their
> IP# and the servers IP# on the alleged time and date.
> 
> That is not to say that The Global War On Privacy is not a Deep
> Shit Situation for us, but unsubstantiated wild-eyed paranoid
> pulling-scary-numbers-out-of-my-ass-alarmism is not the way to
> confront the problem..
> 
> And for reasons already elaborated many times, your solution doesn't
> work either.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
> phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
> FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    
> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
> 

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