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Re: Moving forward on improving HTTP's security

From: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:49:17 +0900
Message-ID: <5284AAAD.5010700@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
CC: Rob Trace <Rob.Trace@microsoft.com>, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>, Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com>, Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com>, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Hello Willy,

On 2013/11/14 16:21, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 04:07:07PM +0900, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote:
>> If I Rob this correctly, this may mean that a future version of IE will
>> implement HTTP 2.0 without encryption for http: URIs.
>>
>> Next let's say that Apache 3.0 implements HTTP 2.0 which can be
>> configured to run without encryption (after all, Apache is used in
>> internal contexts, too).
>>
>> What's the chance of this *not* leaking out into the open internet and
>> forcing other browser vendors to also allow HTTP 2.0 for http: URIs
>> without encryption? After all, experience has shown that users quickly
>> abandon a browser that doesn't work for some websites, and that browser
>> vendors know about this and try to avoid it.
>
> And so what ? It's not a problem. Some browsers will likely implement
> it at least with a config option that's disabled by default, and these
> browsers will be the ones picked by developers during their tests,
> because developers pick the browser that makes their life easier.

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. What I meant was: Does it make sense, as 
Mark proposed at the start of this thread, to rely on browsers to not 
implement HTTP 2.0 over the clear, if one of the major browser makers is 
already saying they won't follow?

Of course for you or me that's not a problem because we are not strongly 
insisting on HTTP 2.0 over TLS only.

Regards,   Martin.
Received on Thursday, 14 November 2013 10:50:49 UTC

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