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Re: The TLS hammer and resource integrity

From: Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:30:29 +0200
Message-ID: <CABaLYCvguj3oycrv7uGKnMK_3fUYBU02JA=eH_W_F-w=fH7Rqg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Cc: patrick mcmanus <pmcmanus@mozilla.com>, ietf-http-wg@w3.org
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>wrote:

> In message <4F72FD22.3020106@mozilla.com>, patrick mcmanus writes:
>
> >I disagree pretty strongly that confidentiality is not a core desirable
> >property for the web.
>
> As is kittens, pink ponies and world peace.
>
> However, in real life all things come at a price, and the price
> of confidentiality is too high for certain classes of websites.
>
> >The notion that consumers of adult content don't care that their
> >activities are broadcasts in detail to their friends and family is
> >bizarre to me.
>
> I'm sure pornsites are willing to offer enhanced service for a
> price, if there is a market, in fact I will absolutely guarantee
> you that they will be the first to make money out of "nobody can
> see you surf porn" if there is a market.
>
>
> And just to be sure we're not talking past each other here:
>
> There are two costs of TLS:  CPU cycles and latency.
>

Thats the whole point of SPDY - we just handed you a protocol which embeds
SSL but is still has lower latency than HTTP.


> Many sites will object to both of these, but most seem to focus
> on the CPU cycles.
>
>
These are cheap and getting cheaper every day.



> Latency is much more damaging, not so much for big sites like
> Google, Yahoo and FaceBook which have data centers through out
> the world, but for sites with just one webserver somewhere on
> the world, the difference between 1*RTT and 4*RTT is a lot of
> latency to throw at the user.
>

The higher the RTT, the bigger the win for SPDY.  So this claim is just
false.

Mike



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