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RE: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

From: TEVFİK ŞAHİN <tevfik.sahin@turktelekom.com.tr>
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:05:17 +0000
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com>
CC: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, IETF-Discussion Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Yoav Nir
Sent:  26.02.2012, 11:45
To: Mark Nottingham
Cc: The IESG; ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group; IETF-Discussion Discussion
Subject: Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)


On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:44 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote:

>
>>
>> I proposed a plan that I think might allow us to make progress
>> on that. I believe we could.
>
> OK, great.
>
> Could you please explain why you think tying this effort to HTTP/2.0 is necessary to achieve that? To me that's the critical bit, and I still haven't seen the reasoning (perhaps I missed it).

I think I have *an* answer to this, though probably not *the* answer.

There's two stages to adoption - implementation and roll-out. Obviously you can't roll out "new authentication" before the browsers and servers implement it. For my website, I wouldn't roll out new auth if only one or two of the browsers out there implemented it. Even if all the big ones (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Opera) did, I would still have to provide a backwards compatibility authentication scheme to support older browsers. This would lead to both inconsistent UI and to ugly javascript that detects the browser version, and makes the roll-out slower.

If any HTTP/2.0 browser is bound to have "new authentication" it makes things much easier.

This could be circumvented by adding request headers that advertise capabilities, but I don't think we like those much.

Yoav


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