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Re: Last Call: draft-bryan-http-digest-algorithm-values-update (Additional Hash Algorithms for HTTP Instance Digests) to Informational RFC

From: Anthony Bryan <anthonybryan@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:30:35 -0500
Message-ID: <bb9e09ee0912071130n548e67at5ccd5b7ae8bdb786@mail.gmail.com>
To: Eran Hammer-Lahav <eran@hueniverse.com>
Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "HTTP Working Group (ietf-http-wg@w3.org)" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Indeed, that was my first reaction as well.

Both RFCs are standards track, which I have been told updating is an
involved process, especially since RFC3230 hasn't seen much
implementation until we started using it (AFAIK). Now we have a few
clients and more on the way.

I was advised just to update the registry. It is out of date and
contains inconsistencies.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav <eran@hueniverse.com> wrote:
> This raises the obvious question - shouldn't we take greater action than simply update one of them? Should we consider combining them? Perhaps update the reason why we have them and make them more useful for other use cases?
>
> I am just looking for clarifications.
>
> EHL
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Bryan [mailto:anthonybryan@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:21 PM
>> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav
>> Cc: ietf@ietf.org; HTTP Working Group (ietf-http-wg@w3.org)
>> Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-bryan-http-digest-algorithm-values-update
>> (Additional Hash Algorithms for HTTP Instance Digests) to Informational RFC
>>
>> Eran, to my knowledge there is no relationship between the two registries,
>> besides some overlap. The registry you mention appears to be just hash
>> function names and references a few X.509 RFCs.  I don't know about the
>> history but it seems to be a more generic list. (We reference that registry in
>> draft-bryan-metalink).
>>
>> Here is the registry draft-bryan-http-digest-algorithm-values-update
>> would update:
>> Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Digest Algorithm Values
>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/http-dig-alg/http-dig-alg.xhtml
>>
>> RFC 3230, which created this registry, doesn't refer to it by name, which isn't
>> too helpful in finding it. The algorithms haven't been updated, so the newest
>> entry is SHA, and some other references were inconsistent (different base64
>> RFCs) and outdated (SHA), which this draft fixes. It also includes values which
>> are not in the other
>> registry: UNIXsum, UNIXcksum. "All digest-algorithm values are case-
>> insensitive."
>> (We also reference this registry in draft-bryan-metalinkhttp).
>>
>> I agree, SHA vs sha-1 in the registries could be confusing but both these
>> registries have co-existed for 7 years. I don't know how much either has
>> been used in practice, besides our 2 drafts.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav
>> <eran@hueniverse.com> wrote:
>> > I am supportive of updating *a* registry.
>> >
>> > The OAuth working group has an open requirement for standard identifiers
>> to describe hash/digest functions.
>> >
>> > What is not clear to me is the relationship of this registry and:
>> >
>> > http://www.iana.org/assignments/hash-function-text-names/
>> >
>> > which seems to overlap.
>> >
>> > I am not sure why we need both, and if we do (because they are protocol
>> specific and required for interoperability), how should a new specification
>> decide which to use or if a new registry is required. For example my
>> uneducated reading of 4572 suggests it is not exactly the same use case as
>> the previous RFCs using that registry.
>> >
>> > In addition, using different tokens for the same algorithm across protocols
>> seems like a bad idea (lower case, upper case, SHA vs sha-1).
>> >
>> > And since both include MD5... arguments about appropriate hash algorithm
>> to increase security fail.
>> >
>> > EHL
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-
>> >> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG
>> >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:44 AM
>> >> To: IETF-Announce
>> >> Subject: Last Call: draft-bryan-http-digest-algorithm-values-update
>> >> (Additional Hash Algorithms for HTTP Instance Digests) to
>> >> Informational RFC
>> >>
>> >> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to
>> >> consider the following document:
>> >>
>> >> - 'Additional Hash Algorithms for HTTP Instance Digests '
>> >>    <draft-bryan-http-digest-algorithm-values-update-03.txt> as an
>> >> Informational RFC
>> >>
>> >> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>> >> final comments on this action.  Please send substantive comments to
>> >> the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2010-01-01. Exceptionally,
>> >> comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please
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>> >>
>> >> The file can be obtained via
>> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bryan-http-digest-algorithm
>> >> -
>> >> values-update-03.txt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> IESG discussion can be tracked via
>> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dT
>> >> ag=
>> >> 19094&rfc_flag=0
>> >>
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