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Re: Input on request for link relation

From: Kris Zyp <kris@sitepen.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:52:35 -0600
Message-ID: <4AAA8053.7030309@sitepen.com>
To: Sam Johnston <samj@samj.net>
CC: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>, Jan Algermissen <algermissen1971@mac.com>, jpanzer@acm.org, Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com>, Atom-Syntax Syntax <atom-syntax@imc.org>, ietf-http-wg@w3.org, Adam Strum <adam@nostrum.com>
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Sam Johnston wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Kris Zyp <kris@sitepen.com
> <mailto:kris@sitepen.com>> wrote:
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>> I like "updates" or "notifications" -- "hub" seems specific to
>> pubsubhubbub, whereas the pointer might be to a SIP notifications
>>  service, an XMPP PubSub service, or who knows what.
> Actually, didn't SIP already define a relation name of "monitor"
> (and "monitor-group" for notification of resource changes [1]? Why
> wouldn't we follow that precedent (pubsubhubbub could use "monitor"
> that couldn't they?). Or does monitor/monitor-group imply something
>  different? [1]
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe-02#section-5.1
>
>
>
> Well spotted. For me to "monitor" or "watch" something requires
> conscious, ongoing effort by the client. The dictionary definition
> <http://www.google.fr/search?q=define:monitor> supports this:
> '/keep tabs on; keep an eye on; keep under surveillance; "we are
> monitoring the air quality"; "the police monitor the suspect's
> moves"/'. It's a nitpick but I wonder if there are use cases for a
> "monitoring" interface (e.g. for polling) - for example a site
> offering a link that an uptime monitoring service could use to to
> test the various subsystems, or an actual monitoring service?
>
> OTOH terms like "notify" and "push" imply a passive rather than
> active role for the client ("update" is out because it can be
> confused with "edit" - in that the resource itself is being
> updated).
But SIP is not a polling protocol is it? Is there something about SIP
that is more "monitor-ish" than pubsubhubbub that necessitates a new
relation name? And if so, how do I determine which relation name
should be used for servers that connect to Dojo clients to send
notifications?

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