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Re: Updated Proposal: i24 Requiring Allow in 405 Responses

From: Adrien de Croy <adrien@qbik.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:17:29 +1200
Message-ID: <47FC6D89.4000309@qbik.com>
To: John Kemp <john@jkemp.net>
CC: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Henrik Nordstrom <henrik@henriknordstrom.net>, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, 'HTTP Working Group' <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>


hmmm, having re-read the actual sentence again, may be best to ignore me 
on that (those that don't already filter my mail into their junk folder :) )

I'll go have another coffee..


Adrien de Croy wrote:
>
>
> Form a purely lingustic point of view, 'The' doesn't mean there can be 
> only one.
>
> 'the' being the definite article as opposed to 'a' being the 
> indefinite article purely distinguishes between a particular known 
> thing and any unknown thing.
>
> So I think in this case, 'the' simply refers to a particular list that 
> we are currently considering (therefore it is known in the context of 
> the sentence), rather than saying there can be only one, or referring 
> to any unknown list which is what 'a' would imply.
>
> Adrien
>
>
> John Kemp wrote:
>>
>> Mark Nottingham wrote:
>>>
>>> Not clear. My take (as a native American speaker who has been 
>>> corrupted to speak en-au sometimes) is that 'the' implies that there 
>>> is only one possible set.
>>
>> That's also my understanding as an en-gb native, corrupted to speak 
>> ~en-us/gb.
>>
>>>
>>> However, I'm not that fussed about it; I'm happy to give it to the 
>>> editors to decide (and I suspect they'll change it to 'the').
>>>
>>> Unless someone has a good technical argument otherwise, and is 
>>> passionate enough about it to hold us up, we'll let them decide.
>>
>> No engineering-based technical argument, but I do think there is a 
>> clear semantic difference between 'a list' (one of a potential 
>> several) and 'the list' (the only list). Using 'a' implies (to me at 
>> least) that the server may maintain more than one list of allowed 
>> methods for the given resource, and return a particular list given 
>> particular circumstances. 'The' doesn't imply that to me. If we wish 
>> to imply by that sentence that there is no single list of allowed 
>> methods per resource, and we believe that anyone other than me will 
>> notice the difference, then using 'a' would make sense.
>>
>> Or, we could just let the editors decide ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> - john
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/04/2008, at 9:39 AM, Henrik Nordstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> sön 2008-04-06 klockan 13:57 +0200 skrev Julian Reschke:
>>>>
>>>>> I haven't heard any new feedback, so I propose that we go with this
>>>>> proposal.
>>>>
>>>> Was there consensus on "the list" -> "a list" change?
>>>>
>>>> I have no opinion on that change as of now, but it looks odd to me 
>>>> (but
>>>> may just be a language issue with English not being my native 
>>>> language)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Henrik
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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