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From: Koen Holtman <koen@win.tue.nl>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 22:17:20 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id: <199707042017.WAA01301@wsooti08.win.tue.nl>
To: "David W. Morris" <dwm@xpasc.com>
Cc: koen@win.tue.nl, dmk@bell-labs.com, frystyk@w3.org, http-wg@cuckoo.hpl.hp.com
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David W. Morris:
>On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Koen Holtman wrote:
>> >Me too ... I have a single user proxy product which is a direct agent
>> >for its owner and only user ... I see no reason to restrict the behavior
>> >of such a proxy.
>> I would argue that products like this are not proxies in the HTTP
>> sense, but remote-controlled user agents.  Thus, any HTTP proxy
>> transparency rules do not apply to them.
>Perhaps, but the app is based on HTTP proxy support and not a private
>protocol between the 'real' client and the application.

Yes, but the HTTP at the outside of the remote-controlled user aggent
does not care about what happens inside the user agent.

> I don't see a need
>to define a whole new mode of operation when thus far the proxy rules
>generally apply. 

What I propose is not a new mode of operation, it is operation as a
user agent.

> I guess this is a lot like question of what an
>HTTP server is, a client is, etc. From a protocol perspective the
>server is everything that conspires to deliver the response and I would
>interpret a proxy as everything that conspires to act as an agent for
>the original / upstream client and hence would favor wording which does
>not restrict behavior which otherwise doesn't compromise the reason behind
>the protocol.

My opinion is that wording which would allow a proxy to conspire with
the user agent and rewrite authentication headers _does_ compromise
the protocol: it compromises the trust relations encoded in the
protocol.  HTTP defines a proxy as an impartial, transparent
middle-man:  a proxy is supposed to be a reliable conduit, which both
parties at either end can trust to act in a certain well-behaved,
impartial way.

>Dave Morris 

Received on Friday, 4 July 1997 13:20:07 UTC

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