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Re: Requirements for reliable message delivery

From: Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:13:41 -0500
Message-Id: <200111282013.fASKDfT07110@astro.cs.utk.edu>
To: Patrik Fältström <paf@cisco.com>
cc: Jim Gettys <jg@pa.dec.com>, Discuss Apps <discuss@apps.ietf.org>, Marshall Rose <mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us>
> > So, by inaction, the IETF is likely condemned to the kludge tower growing
> > ever higher....  Someday it will fall over.  Or maybe it is job security
> > for us all??? :-)
> There is another problem we have in the IETF, or two:
>  - It is very hard to start from scratch with anything today. One have to
>    come to the IETF with something which is so baked that it is almost
>    ready to eat. 

well, you often need a prototype.  you also need to be willing to throw 
it away.   you can't insist on making your existing products compatible
with the future standard.

>    Look at the IDN discussions where we are today.
>    Completely useless discussions, to be honest. A correct design
>    should have been made before the discussion started.

problem is, for IDN you couldn't get a correct design without understanding 
the needs of an extremely diverse set of parties.  and to attract such 
parties to the discussion we needed to set up a WG.  unfortunately the WG 
also attracted a number of clueless folk - not to mention the opportunitists
who wanted to find a way to collect a toll on use of this technology.

in the case of IDN, a few individuals were foresighted and intuitive and 
experienced enough to have a rough understanding about what the ultimate 
design would need to look like. but this isn't always the case.  nor can 
you reliably tell in advance which people have the foresight and which don't.

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