Return-Path: Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk by iris-pub1.theogony.net with ESMTP id 81696421128691926; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:06 +0100 Received: from frink.w3.org ([128.30.52.16]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1ENsKP-0001ax-Sn for Stuart.M.Smith@manchester.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:32:06 +0100 Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1ENsJG-0007me-OC for w3c-wai-ig-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:30:50 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ENsJG-0007m0-20 for w3c-wai-ig@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:30:50 +0000 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ENsJC-0006za-17 for w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:30:49 +0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so34457wri for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gJiue2O+JIwjcP0faQKmyXzdaBJ5dWnbCKJFwe9UteSk6HrN13pyad9SD2MohpCzKNexXt1Khvp5ixHN0QwSj5BTEOKEXzmUw0aCp/pA3peA1uHADrC2I4ZeA6SIuskSZDHzE7SMPoYLVdGGDkFA1HTt2BEhauhCHqh9kHebQe4= Received: by 10.54.120.8 with SMTP id s8mr2211816wrc; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.106.14 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:30:44 -0400 From: Randal Rust Reply-To: Randal Rust To: WAI-IG In-Reply-To: <22056526.1128690947466.JavaMail.ocs@arke-pub1.theogony.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <22056526.1128690947466.JavaMail.ocs@arke-pub1.theogony.net> Received-SPF: pass (maggie.w3.org: domain of randalrust@gmail.com designates 64.233.184.205 as permitted sender) X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1ENsJC-0006za-17 7528d65a9e0d88dc3999da3df6129c33 X-Original-To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Re: Accessibility for Deaf X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/a9caffe50510070630r7726f89bmdf3fb3b89e78b79d@mail.gmail.com Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22818 X-Loop: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Sender: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:30:50 +0000 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.mcc.ac.uk/cos/email/scanning for details. On 10/7/05, Stuart.M.Smith@manchester.ac.uk wrote: > You miss my point about cultural weighting. No, I understand what you are saying. > I would suggest that "dumb" has such a strong sense of "stupidity" that w= hatever other context it is used in it still carries that meaning as well. And I completely disagree. When I hear or see /deaf and dumb/ used or written together, I completely understand what it means within the context. People are smart enough to know what you mean. > It is not an exact science, hence the need for sensitivity. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be sensitive. But, of all places in the world where people should certainly understand the use of the word within the proper context, this would be the place. Of course, the term should be used responsibly, but to suggest that it can be removed from context is just plain ridiculous, especially when the context is so clear. By no means am I condoning or criticizing the word. My issue lies completely with saying that the word always means a particular thing, regardless of context. -- Randal Rust www.r2communications.com