Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Text and Wording Meeting Minutes Jan 14, Week 3

Strong support for *‘our readers are developers, not designers.’ As a
designer I disagree very strongly and am struck by the bias revealed by the
comment. *

For the short time I've been on a few different W3G groups, I have seen
much the same and it *seems* to be just a reflection of the industry
standard of assuming "devs" do everything, but ignores that there are
designers, writers, a11y experts, much less many types of engineers at many
levels. Agree that our audience needs to be wider, or at least tweaked per
document and this content-oriented one is going to be for Content
Designers/Writers first, all other cadres as plausible.



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On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:42 PM Beasley, Leonard H <BeasleyL1@aetna..com>
wrote:

> Hey Kevin,
>
> Re: IRC cheat sheet - thank you. I linked to it from our subgroup doc so
> that we can find it faster.
>
> Re: WCAG visit analytics
> This came up as we talked about definitions. We were wondering if there
> was any way to learn more about our users and if that information would
> help us craft definitions and requirements to better meet their needs.
>
> For example, would content writers or designers understand some of the
> definitions as written? Would they know that they build on top of HTML or
> CSS definitions contained in another document? Are we being so anchored in
> 2.x that we aren’t able to think of definitions that help everyone?
>
> Personally, I have been in meetings where someone will say ‘our readers
> are developers, not designers.’ As a designer I disagree very strongly and
> am struck by the bias revealed by the comment.
>
> We’re curious about what we know about our users, and it could help us.
>
> Thank you for your reply to our minutes email.
>
>
> --
>
> *Len Beasley*
>
>
> 918 630 5419
> Colorado (MT)
>
>
> *From: *Kevin White <kevin@w3.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 22, 2026 at 1:01 AM
> *To: *Beasley, Leonard H <BeasleyL1@aetna.com>
> *Cc: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Julie Rawe <jrawe@understood.org>, Toles,
> John <jtoles7@gatech.edu>, John Kirkwood <kirkwood@citymouse.com>,
> jeremy.katherman@deque.com <jeremy.katherman@deque.com>, McGee, Kimberly <
> kimberly.mcgee@sap.com>, Hall, Carrie <carrie.hall@sap.com>, Ashley Firth
> <ashley@mrfirthy.me>, Steven Hoober <steven@4ourth.com>
> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: Text and Wording Meeting Minutes Jan 14, Week 3
>
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> ------------------------------
> Hi Len,
>
> On 21 Jan 2026, at 23:20, Beasley, Leonard H <BeasleyL1@aetna.com> wrote:
>
>    -
>
>       Question: Is there an IRC cheat sheet for scribing? (Yes, we just
>       need to find it.)
>
>
> You can find lots of information in the links under the Zakim commands
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WkYBc_9PowZRcxp1ld13jkA2pHd-vvmeBf9sZzUDjJQ/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.3rdcrjn> heading
> in the Subgroup handbook.
>
> If you have any questions, please do just ping me.
>
>
>
>    -
>
>       Question: Are there any stats we're able to view? page views,
>       search terms etc. to help our understanding who's currently consuming?
>       (We’ll have to ask our chairs or W3C staff contacts about this.)
>
>
> Possibly. It depends on what content you are considering.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kevin
>
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