Re: Representation of a secondary resource?

On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 10:54, Jacek Kopecky wrote:
> Hi, sorry I missed the deadline, but perhaps this question could also be
> considered as a last-call comment on the current AWWW document.
> 
> The document mentions secondary resources but does not seem to talk
> about dereferencing them and about the resulting representation (nor
> does rfc 2396 bis).
> 
> Currently, a secondary resource may be some portion or subset of the
> primary resource, some view on representations of the primary resource,
> or some other resource defined or described by those representations.
> (sec 2.6)


Yes, this section needed work. After consideration of yours
and other comments, we've revised the text:

[[
The terms “primary” and “secondary” in this context do not limit the
nature of the resource—they are not classes. In this context, primary
and secondary simply indicate that there is a relationship between the
resources for the purposes of one URI: the URI with a fragment
identifier. Any resource can be identified as a secondary resource. It
might also be identified using a URI without a fragment identifier, and
a resource may be identified as a secondary resource via multiple URIs.
The purpose of these terms is to enable discussion of the relationship
between such resources, not to limit the nature of a resource.
]]
 -- 2.6. Fragment Identifiers
 Editor's Draft 19 October 2004
 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/webarch-20041019/#fragid


> But does the secondary resource have a representation itself? I'd expect
> that if it's some view on representations of the primary resource, the
> view is the representation, but if it's some other resource defined or
> described by the representations of the primary resource, then it
> doesn't seem to have a representation itself.

I hope the above text clarifies. As an example,
chapter 3 of a book might be referred to ala
	<rdf:Description rdf:about="#chapter3">
         <dc:description>a thrilling ride...</>
         <owl:sameAs rdf:resource="http://example/chapter3"/>
        </rdf:Description>
in myFavoriteWorks.rdf , so that chapter 3 is
secondary to myFavoriteWorks. But as you can see, that same
resource is identified by <http://example/chapter3>,
and might have subsections  <http://example/chapter3#subsec1>
and so on; so chapter3 is primary to those subsections.

see also

3.1.1. Details of retrieving a representation
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/webarch-20041019/#dereference-details


> Is it significant to consider then the question of when is a secondary
> resource also an information resource (aka web resource)? I believe it
> might be very beneficial to point out that some secondary resources are
> not in fact web resources and could represent, say, the usual "my dog". 

While the TAG has chosen a definition for "information resource,"
we have not decided how it relates to http URI syntax; we have
not closed issue http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#httpRange-14 .

> This could then lead to what I think would be a good practice:
> 
> Worldly objects (people, cars, pets) should be considered secondary
> resources and defined/described by the representations of their
> respective primary resources.

I hope you'll agree that it's best that we publish what we have
before attempting to adopt such a good practice note.

Please let us know whether this response to your comment is
satisfactory.

> Best regards,
> 
>                    Jacek Kopecky
> 
>                    Ph.D. student researcher
>                    Digital Enterprise Research Institute, Innsbruck
>                    http://www.deri.org/
> 
> 
> 
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