Chaals,
I think the change you suggest below (adding officers to paid staff) is a significant, un-reviewed change. Especaily, since for Member Consortia that have non-individual members, the 4 designated representatives are limited to official representatives of the organization (e.g. officers) that effectively removes the restriction to 4 such representatives if there are more than 4 officers. I suggest that we fix the issue you are concerned about in the next revision of the process and not make such a big change now.
Steve Z
From: chaals@yandex-team.ru [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 12:10 PM
To: Virginia Fournier <vfournier@apple.com>; J.Alan Bird <abird@w3.org>
Cc: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>; Stephen Zilles <steve@zilles.org>; public-w3process@w3.org; ab@w3.org
Subject: Re: Definition of a Member Consortium in section 2.1.2.1
I've put a lightly edited version of the text into my draft, which I hope to have done by tomorrow. I also noted officers and staff get the rights - because there are consortia whose officers are all unpaid, but who participate substantially in work.
cheers
10.10.2016, 20:35, "Virginia Fournier" <vfournier@apple.com>:
Hi Chaals,
We want it to be clear that a corporation such as Apple would not be considered to be a “Member Consortium” because it has shareholders. So we support the updated language. If there’s another way to clarify this point, we’re open to considering it.
On Oct 10, 2016, at 7:02 AM, J. Alan Bird <abird@w3.org> wrote:
On 10/10/2016 09:09, chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:The whole change proposal looks editorial to me.
Personally I hate it as over-legalistic, unnecessarily complex, and unnecessary given the fundamentals of process. But I was under the impression Alan had seen it and didn't see a substantive difference.
correct
10.10.2016, 14:40, "Jeff Jaffe" <jeff@w3.org>:
Steve,
The proposal to update the process vis-a-vis Member Consortia came from Alan Bird. Are you aware if he has reviewed David's proposal?
Jeff
On 10/10/2016 12:50 AM, Stephen Zilles wrote:
We must decide on the proposal by David Singer that we will replace the first paragraph of section 2.1.2.1 Membership Consortia which now reads,
“If the Member is itself a consortium, user society, or otherwise has members or sponsors, as described in paragraph 5g of the Membership Agreement and hereafter called a "Member Consortium" the rights and privileges of W3C Membership granted by W3C Process extend to the organization's paid staff and Advisory Committee representative.”
WITH
‘A “Member Consortium” means a consortium, user society, or association of two or more individuals, companies, organizations or governments (or any combination of these entities) with the objective of participating in a common activity or pooling their resources to achieve a common goal (other than participation in, or achieving certain goals in, W3C). A corporation does not qualify as a “Consortium” merely because it has shareholders or stockholders. If it is not clear whether a prospective Member qualifies as a Member Consortium, the Director may reasonably make the determination. For a Member Consortium, the rights and privileges of W3C Membership described in the W3C Process Document extend to the Member Consortium’s paid staff and Advisory Committee representative.’
to more clearly distinguish a Consortium from an organization with shareholders (a.k.a. a company).
Note, other changes to 2.1.2.1 have been suggested, but this change is solely aimed at clarifying what constitutes a Member Consortium. It does not change the rights, privileges and responsibilities of such organizations.
Steve Z
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