12.11.2014, 15:21, "Jeff Jaffe" <jeff@w3.org>:

On 11/12/2014 5:56 AM, chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:

OK, so here is a proposal to resolve the issue.

(By which I mean issue 140)

We should replace the text between the section 2.2 heading, and the section 2.2.1 heading (Team submissions) with the following:
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[[[
The Team consists of the Director, CEO, W3C paid staff, interns, and W3C Fellows (see the W3C Fellows Program [PUB32]). The Director MAY delegate responsibility (generally to other individuals in the Team) for any of his roles described in this document.
Team administrative information such as Team salaries, detailed budgeting, and other business decisions are Team-only, subject to oversight by the Host institutions.
W3C is not incorporated. For legal contracts, W3C is represented by its "Host" institutions, according to a set of joint sponsorship contracts.
]]]
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Notes:
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The Team, and The Director, are the people in the Process with formal responsibility for doing things, so it seems that clarifying that the Director can delegate those responsibilities is sufficient to make the process match reality.
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The CEO does not have a formal role in the Process - indeed, is not even mentioned, although various roles assigned to the W3C Chair are obvious things the CEO has been doing.
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In particular, "The Director, W3C Chair, and COO have the role of assessing consensus within the Advisory Committee". - Section 3.3, para 1
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This is the only formal responsibility of the W3C chair, although there is also a statement that that the W3C chair is "generally" chair of the AB (historically that is nonsense) and along with the COO generally chairs the AC meeting.
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There is also a statement in the current section 2.2 that "The W3C Chair leads Member relations, and liaisons with other organizations, governments, and the public". Which is what CEO's generally do, but doesn't actually specify particular tasks.
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I think (as per issue 145) we should try and remove the general statements about the W3C chair and COO where possible, since they are effectively management details of the Team, and the Team governs itself.

I don't think the Issue is addressed until we appropriately update the Chair references throughout the document.

I'm not sure which issue you are talking about. If you mean 145, I agree, but if you mean 140 (the subject of this thread), I don't agree, as follows.

In fact, that was the original reason that the Issue was raised.

Speaking as the person who raised the issues, issue 140 (this one) was raised because the current verbiage about the Team is excessive and doesn't make the document more useful, and issue 145 was raised because defining a role we don't have, and one that doesn't play a formal part in the process, seems to be silly. I believe the two issues are separable - but they should both be addressed.

The current proposal actually touches on issue 145, in that it removes the W3C Chair and COO descriptions from the relevant section, but it doesn't resolve that issue completely.

I don't agree that the general statements are only details of the Team and I don't agree that they should be removed from the document.

OK, we disagree on those two points. The first is a point of theory, although differences in outlook lead to differing suggestions about practice. But the second is a concrete question for what the document says, so I guess it is up to the chair of the TF to resolve the disagreement.

Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
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