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[07:01] <Zakim> +pal
[07:01] <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
[07:01] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal
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[07:01] <mmartin3_> Regrets pal (may join on IRC)
[07:02] <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
[07:03] <mijordan> Zakim Andrew_Kirpatrick is mijordan
[07:03] <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
[07:03] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
[07:03] <mmartin3_> Zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
[07:03] <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
[07:04] <mijordan> Zakim, Andrew_Kirpatrick is mijordan
[07:04] <Zakim> sorry, mijordan, I do not recognize a party named 'Andrew_Kirpatrick'
[07:04] <mmartin3_> Zakim, aaaa is mike
[07:04] <Zakim> +mike; got it
[07:04] <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
[07:04] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mmartin3, mike
[07:04] <mmartin3_> Zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
[07:04] <Zakim> +mijordan; got it
[07:04] <mmartin3_> Topic: SDP-US Issues
[07:04] <mmartin3_> Issue-19?
[07:04] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-19
[07:04] <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- drop @bidi-override? -- closed
[07:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/19
[07:05] <mmartin3_> Issue-194?
[07:05] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
[07:05] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- root container needs better definition -- raised
[07:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194
[07:06] <mmartin3_> mike: Explains issue - root container definition is silent in TTML 1.0. SDP-US needs to define it. Definition proposed in Issue text.
[07:06] <mmartin3_> sean: Concern is whether originating TV content should account for safe area.
[07:07] <mmartin3_> mike: Assume full coded video; account for safe area in authoring. DECE assumes this.
[07:07] <mmartin3_> sean: Makes sense.
[07:07] <mmartin3_> ...Fontsize issue falls out too.
[07:07] <mmartin3_> ....Turn into a note to show how arrived at.
[07:07] <mmartin3_> mijordan: Agree.
[07:08] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Do we add a note on safe area?
[07:09] <mmartin3_> sean: Note that authors should do the safe area in positioning in authoring content.
[07:10] <mmartin3_> Resolved proposal as found in the issue: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194.
[07:10] <mmartin3_> Action Glenn to implement resolution to Issue-194 as proposed http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194.  
[07:10] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[07:10] <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Implement resolution to Issue-194 as proposed http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-08].
[07:10] <mmartin3_> Issue-195?
[07:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-195
[07:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- default fontSize conflcts with TTML -- raised
[07:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/195
[07:11] <mmartin3_> sean: Now we have resolved root container, we have default grid that tells us default fontSize. Add a comment how calculate font size.
[07:12] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Turn into a note. Relate R0026 as an appropriate note based on resolution for Issue-194.
[07:12] <mmartin3_> Action Sean Draft text for making R0026 a Note.
[07:12] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[07:12] <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Draft text for making R0026 a Note. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-08].
[07:12] <mmartin3_> Action Glenn to implement Issue-195 resolution based on Action-126 Note (from R0026).
[07:12] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[07:12] <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Implement Issue-195 resolution based on Action-126 Note (from R0026). [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-08].
[07:13] <mmartin3_> Resolved Issue-195 with proposal in Issue http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/195 and based on Note from Sean Hayes in Action-126.
[07:13] <mmartin3_> Issue-188?
[07:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-188
[07:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
[07:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
[07:14] <mmartin3_> sean: Not ready for a presentation.
[07:14] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Suggest we discuss criteria.
[07:15] <mmartin3_> sean: Compatible with CFF-TT. Limit complexity of authored document. Render upcoming subtitle in the time you have for the one you are presenting. CFF needs to go farther on the rendering model.
[07:15] <mmartin3_> Double buffering is needed for a practical model.
[07:15] <mmartin3_> ...Ratify against CFF model first.
[07:15] <mmartin3_> ...Separate from profile?
[07:16] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Not go in SE.
[07:16] <mmartin3_> sean: Structure for SDP-US draft?
[07:16] <mmartin3_> mike: Uses profile in a different way.
[07:18] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Suggested separate document with a reference paragraph in Future Needs - placeholder.
[07:18] <mmartin3_> mike: Is important to profile. We could have in a second edition.
[07:19] <mmartin3_> ...of the profile.
[07:19] <mmartin3_> sean: Want to get SDP-US published as a Note.
[07:20] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Can we take my suggestion to show in Future Needs and allow us to publish SDP-US.
[07:20] <mmartin3_> sean: Reasonable approach.
[07:20] <mmartin3_> mijordan:
[07:20] <mmartin3_> Agree
[07:21] <mmartin3_> sean: Leave open. Target to SDP-US update. Add note and won't block SDP-US issue.
[07:22] <mmartin3_> Action: mmartin3 Frame text for Future Needs to show we have an intent to frame a rendering model. Dolan can assist.
[07:22] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
[07:22] * RRSAgent records action 1
[07:22] <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Frame text for Future Needs to show we have an intent to frame a rendering model. Dolan can assist. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-11-08].
[07:23] <mmartin3_> Issue-183?
[07:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
[07:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- semantics of using profile in a document -- open
[07:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/183
[07:23] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Mike may update his proposal?
[07:24] <mmartin3_> mike: Triggered long discussion about what profile meant.
[07:24] <mmartin3_> ...Withdrew text to his proposal.
[07:25] <mmartin3_> ...sean: Was to propose alternative text in Action-124.
[07:25] <mmartin3_> ...Profile applies to the document. Leave open.
[07:25] <mmartin3_> ...Second Edition
[07:27] <mmartin3_> mike: Document conformance or behavior? Current thinking was to force decoder to replace the document. Text Dolan proposed will be withdrawn. Sean will specify decoder signal.
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[07:29] <mmartin3_> Glenn, are you here?
[07:30] <mmartin3_> Topic: Editor Issues to Implement
[07:30] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: He was to implement but I've yet to see published updates.
[07:31] <mmartin3_> sean: Suggest editors' call to work through all issues.
[07:31] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Will do.
[07:34] <mmartin3_> Topic: Actions Update
[07:34] <mmartin3_> Action-123?
[07:34] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-123
[07:34] <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Monica Martin to create updated proposa for Issue-192. -- due 2012-11-01 -- OPEN
[07:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/123
[07:34] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: EBU agreed. See thread with proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0001.html

Response from Andreas Tai: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0061.html

[07:35] <mmartin3_> Action-106?
[07:35] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-106
[07:35] <trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Mike Dolan to ask SMPTE if we can make technical requirements public. -- due 2012-09-27 -- OPEN
[07:35] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/106
[07:35] <mmartin3_> mike: Still open.
[07:36] <mmartin3_> ...Materials are fine but can't be shared out TTWG.
[07:37] <mmartin3_> Topic: Close SDP-US.
[07:37] <mmartin3_> sean: Get editorial actions in place. Only substantial issue is Issue-188. Get up as a published note. Unless there are any substantive issues we are in good shape to publish first edition on SDP-US as a Working Group Note?
[07:38] <mmartin3_> mijordan: Agree.
[07:38] <mmartin3_> sean: Agreed and move forward.
[07:39] <mmartin3_> mike: Citation.
[07:39] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Will have preamble text to adopt latest version of TTML 1.0.
[07:39] <mmartin3_> sean: Agreed.
[07:39] <mmartin3_> mike: Readers aren't that smart.
[07:40] <mmartin3_> ...Put in TTML 1.0 SE as informative reference.
[07:40] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: That was the intent.
[07:40] <mmartin3_> ..Will ensure this happens.
[07:40] <mmartin3_> sean: Publish by next week Nov 8 or make a decision to do so.
[07:41] <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Lots of good input on this profile. Thank you.
[07:41] <mmartin3_> Topic: Adjourn.
[07:41] <Zakim> -mike
[07:41] <Zakim> -Sean
[07:41] <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
[07:41] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, mmartin3, mike, mijordan

Attendees: 
Remove Pierre Lemieux
Add Courtney Kennedy

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[07:41] <mmartin3_> Zakim, add Courtney
[07:41] <Zakim> I don't understand 'add Courtney', mmartin3_
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[07:42] <mmartin3_> trackbot, end meeting
[07:42] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
[07:42] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
[07:42] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, mmartin3, mike, mijordan
[07:42] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
[07:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-minutes.html trackbot
[07:42] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
[07:42] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-actions.rdf :
[07:42] <RRSAgent> ACTION: mmartin3 Frame text for Future Needs to show we have an intent to frame a rendering model. Dolan can assist. [1]
[07:42] <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-irc#T14-22-57
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[07:42] <Zakim> Attendees were Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, mmartin3, mike, mijordan
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