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<Susie> Regrets from Ivan and Ina
<kidehen> yes
zakim ??p1 is martind
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<kjetilk> IPcaller is kjetilk
<kidehen> martind is P1
<LeeF> Scribe: martind
susie provides overview of where we are,
we will hear from alistair on use case
susie will update on f2f mtg
susie takes action item 1 -- Kjetil provided info
susie added info on blogging,...
susie reports that ivan resent email about e-challenges
there was also email about upcoming conf to the mail.list
about enterpr. outreach, wing prepared update on results
leoS is at vacation re responsibility for info gathering
<kidehen> Susie: Re. O'Reilly event, this is a no-go for me re. pitching a paper
susie says we're in good stading w.r.t. all previous action items; well done
open next agendum
<wing> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/SurveyResults
wing refers to wiki pages (see above)
<LeeF> Note: this is a SWEO-secured wiki page
about 51 respondents, mostly US
<Karen> +1 51 responses!
a couple from europe
wing says most participants from services ind., but also aero, gov, etc
most respondents were in multi-roles... many SW architects, some standard comm. reps
ivan suggested earlier partitioning data based on roles
wing started doing this
(see initial results on the wiki)
most participants were very familiar with SemWeb; maybe we should resubmit survey to people less familiar with SemWeb
wing now moves to perceptions
scribe: and describes the graphs, pictures
first images shows ways how would diff.people introduce SemWeb -- data, meanings, reasoning, standards,...
people were mostly aware of data integration and search apps of SemWeb
** pls. use the queue command if you want to ask questions :-) **
for the future it seems useful to get wider participation (not only researchers or similar)
wing now moves to advantages / disadvantages
wing points to bottom graph for advantages = reasoning seems quite big, but not among architects
maybe worth addressing in sweo
there are a concerns = complicated, few qualified people, hard to hire staff (e.g. for ontologies)
<LeeF> Interesting (but not surprising?) that the "too complicated" impression is help primarily by tech people
on customer attitudes, few responses
customers may not care what technology is inside, as long as it works
sources of SemWeb -- demos seem to lead by far; then papers, etc.
interesting category is "vendor support" = who else supports before adopting
wing now moves on recommendations for SWEO
prob. the most important is proposing practical, real use cases
scribe: followed by need/provision of some training
<Karen> +1 Wing!
wing wraps up his summary, it exists also in RDF if people want to analyze further
<kidehen> wing: RDF Data URL?
thanks to wing for nice analysis
did we face classic problem: people who are interested, will participate in the survey?
<wing> need to tidy it up a bit, but you can get it at http://wingerz.com/semweb/sweo/survey/all.rdf
<wing> need to tidy it up a bit, but you can get it at http://wingerz.com/semweb/sweo/survey/all.n3
good to see people are interested in reasoning
<wing> whoops never mind on the n3
<wing> ok, it's there now
maybe good to mention these messages in the use cases proposed to industry
karen thanks wing
<kidehen> +q
a couple observations: not many surprises from survey; but good to have baseline
also good to see strengths, opportunities, weaknesses
<wing> (data was generated by babel, so it doesn't have a lot of structure)
karen wants to share findings internally...
<kidehen> wing: any kind of ontology associated with it?
<wing> nope, not yet
<wing> it was pretty quick and dirty
kingsley - is the survey closed or continues?
susie says: survey closed on 26 Jan
susie says: other people were also doing some surveys -- maybe compare our findings with theirs?
<kidehen> Susie: links please re. other surveys etc..
a summer school ? in austria
susie, some pointers are already on our info gathering wiki...
<captsolo_> martind: http://www.semantics2006.net/semweb-awareness-barometer-an-online-survey-on-roll-out-application-and-training-needs-in.workshop.143.15.htm
we should probably finish with the survey for now, but we may reuse the questions on other customers, etc.
<captsolo_> this might be the summer school
<PaulaP> http://www.semantic-web.at/main.php
<PaulaP> for info on Semantic Web School
should we reopen the survey or use it for different/complementary audience (discussion susie - kingsley)
<PaulaP> Semantic Web School is not a summer school, they organize e.g. courses for industry
kingsley suggests addressing the point of most participants to such surveys are too close to SemWeb, maybe we need additional, more distant users?
<Karen> +1 sharing more datasets over time
susie suggests these follow-ups handled by individual members/companies, and then perhaps sharing results with SWEO
<bengee> the awareness barometer order form is linked from http://www.semantic-web.at/10.12.66.literature.semantic-web-awareness-barometer-2006.htm
uldis asks question: follow up kingsley...
uldis: wants to ask questions locally in Ireland -- reusing existing SWEO survey
susie says, we're happy to reuse the questions
<kidehen> Susie: We want to reuse SWEO question for surveys that are not SWEO tagged, but we will happily share the data with SWEO via RDF (the point I was making)
<kidehen> Susie: Same as Uldis
<kidehen> Susie: Goal being to have many RDF Data Source of polling / survey data
what we don't notice with most other surveys is some form of publication
many people may be interested in seeing e.g. a paper summing up our survey?
should we write a doc as a W3C note or go for a journal? wing asked for opinion
<PaulaP> I think it would be good to publish the results
<kidehen> Susie: Key points, we just want to officially seek permission to use the same questions in the surveys
<kidehen> Susie: rather than writing from scratch
<scribe> ACTION: karen taps into W3C what they prefer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-SWEO-minutes.html#action01]
Karen check with Ivan,...
open next agendum
<PaulaP> you can e.g, try to talk about the results at events such as the Semantics 2007
kjetil finishing descrition of community projects
there were a few submissions made already
kjetil says, the project was taken very well
kjetil, can you provide url here into irc minutes?
<kjetilk> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects
susie says this is a good outcome, as it was only discussed at the last few telcos
<LeeF> +1 impressed with response to this also!
we already have 6 projects submitted, which is a good start
<LeeF> FAQ about community project: http://esw.w3.org/topic/CommunityProjectFaq
we have quite tough deadline for proposing new projects, people encouraged to respond quickly
open next agendum
alistair sent some initial input about BT use case
use case looks good, esp. to target more technical people interested in web services,...
alistair is interested in preparing less-techie description (e.g. for non-technical managers)
alistair is not available next week, but suggests doing this 'translation' for the week after
<scribe> ACTION: alistair prepares non-techie summary of BT case for Feb 14th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-SWEO-minutes.html#action02]
susie suggests looking at survey again and see which orgs started some pilot projects
scribe: and then ask specific people to contribute a use case to SWEO?
open next agendum
<wing> ACTION: wing to send list of companies with pilot projects [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-SWEO-minutes.html#action03]
f2f meeting -- feedback from 6 people
stavanger seems to be a suitable place
ivan communicates with local organizers, who may help out with aroom free of charge
we though about thursday/friday mtg, but they're offering other days --
needs just clarification
<scribe> ACTION: Susie to clarify room allocations/dates of f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-SWEO-minutes.html#action04]
Norway seems to be the right place
close this agendum
susie talks about the grid conf., organizers of grid web-inars series would like to get some presence from SemWeb people
people would go to London, get recorded as they deliver seminar and that's broadcast
people based near London may participate -- e.g. alistair (BT), martind (OU), others
e.g. paul walsh? talis?
may be good to have a couple presenters rather than one
susies sends further info to alistair about the event
<captsolo_> Galway is a flight away from London, too
also, tim BL was in touch re organizing next cambridge SemWeb day
kingsley offers some assistance re the meetings
maybe we should take lead on organizing Feb mtg?
two more things
no more things to cover....
susie thanks to wing, kjetil and alistair
<PaulaP> bye
<captsolo_> what is the web page for Norwegian Semantic Web days?