W3C

SML teleconference

10 Jan 2008

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
johnarwe, Valentina, ginny, pratul, Kirk, Sandy, MSM, Kumar, Jordan, Zulah_Eckert
Regrets
Jim
Chair
pratul
Scribe
Valentina

Contents


<scribe> scribe: Valentina

Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s):

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jan/att-0010/2008-01-03-minutes.htm

Resolution: minutes approved

January F2F in Orlando

registration link https://www.sporg.com/registration?link_type=reg_info&form_id=96112

Sandy: not sure if he can attend the meeting

<jordan> regrets, I will not attend the F2F

Pratul: thinks that dinner is included in registration fee

Jordan: cannot attend the f2f

June F2F: Expected to be during 6/23-6/27 in Europe.

Pratul: are there people who may not be able to attend ?

Ginny: not sure at this time

Kirk: not sure

Valentina: not sure

Pratul: who has a strong preference to not have this in Europe ?

nobody has a strong preference to not have the f2f in Europe

Pratul: is there a deadline for a making a decision ?

MSM: in practice, 8 weeks is almost too little; best practice is to set dates 6 months in advance
... process says 8 weeks

Pratul: we can bring this up on the next call in February and decide on this

John: there is a CML WG meeting at the same time in Feb so a few SML WG members will not attend

Pratul: let's talk about this on the 31 of January, or email

Action items

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4992

Sandy: did not read the comments; needs more time to review this

Pratul: let's not close this yet then; wait for Sandy to review the bug

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5063

Ginny: thought that Zulah was supposed to come up with a proposal for this

Pratul: based on note from Zulah, he feels that this can be discussed now and decide within the group

Kumar: last time MSM asked him to update the defect and group comments in one proposal; he did that in comment #9
... only MSM and Zulah asked for this update so he wants to hear MSM comments on what is in bugzilla now

<johnarwe> MSM, near the end of http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/01/sml-reference-constraints.xml section 1.1 is the text "The members of this set of references must not form a cycle." That appears to need some editorial help.

MSM: have a few questions
... 6.a.ii wants to make sure he understands the usecase here
... in what circumstances there can be an entry ?
... satisfied by Kumar's answer
... question for : 'Two identity constraints are considered identical if they have the same qname'
... this should read iff they have the same name

Kumar: agreed, will make the changes

MSM: no more questions related to the content in comment 9
... wants to know if Sandy feels that his concerns are being addressed here
... on a higher level, there are a few design questions, highlighted in a note just sent out
... wants to review this note after Sandy answers on the low level questions

Sandy: he feels the content in comments 9 is correct and it covers all the usecases

Pratul: suggests to move now to MSM's note since Sandy is okay with the content posted by Kumar in bugzilla

MSM: will give an overview of this note since has just been sent to the group and nobody had a chance to review it
... the goal is to outline a set of usecases and see how the proposal covers them

<MSM> Example: if we have three elements and three types: EnrolledCourse as ECType, GradEnrolledCourse as GECType, UGEnrolledCourse as UGECType.

<MSM> Where GECType is derived by restriction from ECType, and UGECType is derived by restriction from ECType.

<MSM> And EnrolledCourse has a targetElement constraint of Course

<MSM> If GradEnrolledCourse and UGEnrolledCourse are substitutable for EnrolledCourse, then they do have a targetElement constraint

<MSM> If they are not substitutable, then they do not have that constraint.

Ginny: what is the reason for restricting these constraints to element declarations ?

Kumar: this is how was defined in the initial submission

<MSM> [In practice, you'd probably want GradEnrolledCourse to have a targetElement value of GradCourse, not just of Course

Kumar: if the constraints are attached to elements then we need this proposal to support inheritance
... proposes to review this proposal in the light that the constraints are defined on elements and review the option of having the constraints defined on types after that

Pratul: everybody agrees to resolve this defect as is and open another defect to review having constraints on types ?

Kirk: okay with opening a bug on the constraints on type issue

Pratul: any objection to resolve this bug as proposed by Kumar ?

Resolution: no objection, the bug will be resolved as proposed in comment 9. A new bug will be opened to track the constraints on types issue

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5064

Kumar: is addessed by the same proposal, from 5063

Resolution: resolve this bug as described by proposal in 5063, point 1 and 2

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4675

Sandy: proposal described in comment 27

Ginny: have a reservation on the two level conformance

Pratul: suggests to have SMLIF producers being able to produce fully conformant IF documents but they may be able to produce other type of documents

Kumar: seems to be similar with the floor ceiling approach where the floor is a fully conformant IF document

MSM: will add a comment to bug 4675 proposing rewording content

Kirk: suggests to change naming from Full and Minimal conformance to something else
... will add a comment to bugzilla proposing new names

Pratul: besides naming and wording, is everybody okay with the proposal ?
... no objections

Resolution: no substantial issues with this bug, waiting for proposal on name changes and rewording

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5306

Ginny: suggests to either close this as wont fix or the WG should be prepared to spend enough time to resolve it properly

Kumar: okay to close as wont fix

MSM: prefer to spend more time analyzing but no strong opinion

Kirk: wants to review this

Pratul: would Kirk have a proposal for the next call ?

Kirk: will have a proposal for the next call, or before the call

Kumar: would be great if the proposal is sent before the call

Summary of Action Items

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