SML Face-to-Face -- 12 Jun 2007</ti tle> <link type="text/css" rel="STYLESHEET" href= "http://www .w3.org/StyleSheets/base.css" /> <link type="text/css" rel="STYLESH EET" href= "http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/public.css" /> <link ty pe="text/css" rel="STYLESHEET" href= "http://www.w3.org/2004/02/m inutes-style.css" /> <meta content="SML Face-to-Face" name="Title" /> <meta content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" http-equiv= "C ontent-Type" /> </head> <body> <p><a href="http://www.w3.org/" ><img src= "http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C" border= "0" height= "48" width="72" /></a></p> <h1>- DRAFT -</h1> <h1>SML Face-to-Face</h1> <h2>12 Jun 2007</h2> <p>See al so: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-irc">IRC log</a></p> <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2> < div class="intro"> <dl> <dt>Present</dt> <dd>Pra tul_Dublish, Vijay_Tewari, Paul_Lipton, Kirk_Wilson, Marv _Waschke, John_Arwe, Sandy_Gao, Ginny_Smith, Jim_Lynn, Ph ilippe_Le_Hegaret, Michael_Sperberg-McQueen, Valentina_Pope scu, Bassam_Tabbara, Zulah_Eckert</dd> <dt>Regrets</dt> <dt>Chair</dt> <dd>Pratul, John</dd> <dt>Scr ibe</dt> <dd>Kirk, Bassam</dd> </dl> </div> <h2 >Contents</h2> <ul> <li> <a href="#agenda">Topics</a > <ol> <li><a href="#item01">Discussion of section 2 .2</a></li> <li><a href="#item02">Section 3.1 (XML Schema Profile)</a></li> <li><a href="#item03">Section 3.2< /a></li> <li><a href="#item04">Discussion of section 3.2</a> </li> <li><a href="#item05">Discussion of 3.2.1</a></li> <li><a href="#item07">Discussion of 3.2.1.2</a></li> <li><a href="#item06">Discussion 3.2.1.3</a></li> </ol> </li> <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a>< /li> </ul> <hr /> <div class="meeting"> <p class=' phone'> </p> <p class='phone'>Continue with SML submission walk-through</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Kirk</cite>> scribe : Kirk</p> <h3 id="item01">Discussion of section 2.2</h3> <p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> explained use of "@"s in XML Namespace table in 2.3</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</ci te>> Philippe: you might want to consider using <a href= " http://www.w3.org/ns/sml">http://www.w3.org/ns/sml</a> when you get t o CR</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> <strong> ACTION:</strong> John to consider switching to short namespace at CR [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.htm l#action02">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created A CTION-6 - Consider switching to short namespace at CR [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri">URIs for W3C Name spaces</a></p> <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> Extension of Identity Constraints is different than referencing</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Sandy:</cite> Clarify final sentence in sectio n 3, use of "extension"</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Vijay:</cite> suggests saying "SML uses to points of extensibility of XML Schema"< /p> <p class='irc'><<cite>MSM</cite>> XML Schema's validat ion semantics can be extended by schema annotations in the form either of attributes in other namespaces or of xsd:annotation elements (sec. n.n of [XML Schema: Structures]; both forms are used by SML. </p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Sandy</cite>> Sandy suggests to explicitly mention "annotation" with a reference to the schema spec. <a href= "http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-1-20041028 /#cAnnotations"> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-1-20041028/# cAnnotations</a></p> <p class='phone'><cite>Vijay:</cite> are we really extending schema validation semantics?</p> <p class ='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> Yes--What SML is doing does classify as extending validation semantics</p> <p class='irc'><<cite> MSM</cite>> Alternative 3: SML extends XML Schema 1.0 by schema an notations both in the form of attributes in other namespaces and of x sd:annotation elements (sec. 3.13 of [XML Schema: Structures]).</p> <p class='phone'><cite>johnarwe:</cite> Exact words should be editor's job</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Ginny:</cite> wou ld like to everyone to speak up on this sentence</p> <p clas s='phone'><cite>Marv:</cite> To resolve issues quickly, editors sho uld go to the people who feel most deeply about the issue.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> If editors change the text to i mprove, they should perform "due diligence" and consult with those wh o feel deeply.</p> <h3 id="item02">Section 3.1 (XML Schema Profi le)</h3> <p class='phone'><cite>Sandy:</cite> Questions phrase " SML supports a strict subset of XML Schema" but "extends" it.</ p><a name="action03" id="action03"></a> <p class='irc'><< cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to remove firs t sentence of the section. [recorded in <a href= "http://www. w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-s ml-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>track bot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-7 - Remove first sentence of the sec tion 3.1. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class ='irc'><<cite>johnarwe</cite>> A good place to bookmark as an anchor to find all the bot commands etc is <a href= "http:// www.w3.org/Guide/">http://www.w3.org/Guide/</a></p> <p class='ph one'><cite>Michael:</cite> Subsetting of 1.0 seems orthogonal to rest of spec. Seems like a "style guide".<br /> ... Propose that we elimi nate the idea of subset.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Bassam:</cit e> Domain specific SML models may provide a place for guidelines. Thi s sort of thing is appropriate there rather than here.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Pratul:</cite> Nothing in spec depends on th ese features.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> SGML ex perience raises concern about subsetting spec; raises interoperabilit y issues.<br /> ... If the section is a problem it should be se nt to XML Schema WG.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Bassam:</c ite> Proposes that we treat specification as a superset of XML Schema . Don't talk about "profile" of XML Schema. Guidelines are treated in domain-specific areas.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>johnarwe:</ci te> Avoided xs:redefine in order to preserve backward compatibility.< /p> <p class='phone'>Discussion between Paul and Bassam on value of preserving ideas of section in an appendix. Bassam: this de pends on context of use of the feature.</p><a name="action04" id= "action04"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to remove section 3.1. (This superse des ACTION-7.) [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12- sml-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#ac tion04</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-8 - Remove section 3.1. (This supersedes ACTION-7.) [o n Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='irc'>< ;<cite>Paul</cite>> Paul: Regarding discussion of 3.1, I believe i t important that SML have no references to any particular group worki ng on the instantiation of a particular model.</p> <h3 id= "item03">Section 3.2</h3> <p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> Proposition 1 Cross Validation of documents = putting documents in one document.<br /> ... Proposition 2, there are things you ca n do in SML that cannot do under Proposition 1</p> <p class ='phone'><cite>Ginny:</cite> No experience contrary to Proposition 1.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Bassam:</cite> richer set of const raints around identity in SML references.</p> <p class='ph one'><cite>Michael:</cite> The richer constraints might be taken up b y XML Schema group, but right now the answer to his concern is in fav or of Proposition 2.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Jim:</cite> rais es question on whether model needs to be a tree. Bassam: Nothing requ ires this.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>johnarwe:</cite> Is anyone to be liaison with XML Schema WG?</p> <p class='phone'>Di scussion of this group's relationship to the XML Schema WG, esp. RE t he point that xs:redefine should be dropped from XML Schema.</p><a na me="action05" id= "action05"></a> <p class='irc'>< <cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong>Bassam to present bes t practices as defined by SML domain groups to XML SChema WG for thei r consideration. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/200 7/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes .html#action07</a>] </p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng </cite>> Created ACTION-9 - Present best practices as defined by S ML domain groups to XML SChema WG for their consideration. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <h3 id="item04">Discussion of section 3.2</h3> <p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> Con sider using IRIs rather than URIs.</p> <p class='phone'><c ite>Pratul:</cite> Should we remove discussion of URIs in favor of IR I or add IRIs?</p><a name= "action08" id="action08"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong > Philippe to put issue regarding URIs vs IRIs in Bugzilla. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action0 8">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-10 - Put issue regarding URIs vs IRIs in Bugzilla. [on Philippe Le H&Ati lde;©garet - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Ph ilippe:</cite> Raises issue of use of ReferenceParameters in EPR to r eference a resource.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Vijay:</cite> Th e issue is how to construct a EPR to a subpart of a document.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> <a href= "http://w ww.w3.org/TR/ws-addr-core/#resourceidentification">Using abstract pro perties of an EPR other than [destination] to identify resources is c ontrary to this recommendation.</a></p> <p class='phone'><cite>P aul:</cite> Suggests using XPOINTER expression in the wsa:Address to identify the subpart of the document.</p> <p class='phone' ><cite>Vijay:</cite> nothing architectural to guarantee that the URI will identify that part of the document.<br /> ... We need a me chanism to define how to architecturally define document parts by EPR as URI.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Vijay</cite>> Reference to Section 2.6 of WSA <a href= "http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-addr -core/#resourceidentification">http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-addr-core/#resourcei dentification</a></p><a name="action09" id="action09"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</stro ng> Bassam to remove ReferenceParameters and change wsa:Address to ma tch that sml:uri in the element above in the example. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action09">htt p://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p> <p cl ass='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-11 - Remo ve ReferenceParameters and change wsa:Address to match that sml:uri i n the element above in the example. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06- 19].</p> <p class='phone'>Zulah exited meeting </p> <h3 id="item05">Discussion of 3.2.1</h3> <p class='irc'><< cite>Paul</cite>> As per request of scribe, modified action 11. No w says:"Bassam to make sml:uri tag have plain URI and do the same in the EPR example in the address tag. removing EPR reference parameters ."</p> <p class='phone'><cite>John:</cite> We need to cover in 3 .2.1.1 situation in which one element with sml:ref="true" with multiple occurrences of the same scheme.<br /> ... all references m ust point to the same thing.</p> <p class='phone'>Discussion of this issue.<br /> ...Bassam: Spirit is that there is one reference. R esolution of multiple references is implementation dependent; modify second sentence. of 3.2.1.1<br /> ...Pratul: a single reference may have multiple representations.<br /> ... they must target the same reference. Checking this optional.</p><a name="action10" i d="action10"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change second paragraph of 3.2.1.1 to "If a single reference has multiple representations, every representation must target the same element. Validators may check th is condition." [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12- sml-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#ac tion10</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-12 - Change second paragraph of 3.2.1.1 to \"If a sing le reference has multiple representations, every representation must target the same element. Validators may check this condition.\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <h3 id="item07">Discu ssion of 3.2.1.2</h3> <a name="action11" id="action11"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong > Bassam to remove the word "different" from the first sentence of 3. 2.1.2. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minu tes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action11</ a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-13 - Remove the word \"different\" from the first sente nce of 3.2.1.2. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <h3 id ="item06">Discussion 3.2.1.3</h3> <p class='phone'><cite>Sandy :</cite> There may schemes for representing references that use only attributes. Therefore, xsi.nil="true" would be ineffectual in this case.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Pratul:</cite> The spec specifi es (section 3.2), that the reference must be a child element.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Bassam:</cite> agrees with Sandy's point that spec leaves this issue open for new schemes that defines the address in the attribute.</p><a name="action12" id= "action12">< /a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACT ION:</strong> Sandy to open an issue to address whether we should req uire reference pointers be children. [recorded in <a href= "h ttp://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/20 07/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><< cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-14 - Open an issue to addr ess whether we should require reference pointers be children. [on San dy Gao - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>MSM </cite>> so we need to decide: do we want to require that pointers be given in child elements? If so, we need to say so more explicitly ; if not, we need to revisit the story about nil in 3.2.1.3</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Valentina:</cite> Question on John's iss ue and use of IRI-schema--should be change sml:uri to something more general?</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> <a href= "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0009.html"> Use of IRIs</a></p> <p class='phone'><cite>Sandy:</cite> Difference xsi.nil="true" between a "dangling" reference?</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Bassam:</cite> difference is that nil me ans there is a no address. Dangling reference has a syntactic represe ntation.</p><a name="action13" id= "action13"></a> <p cl ass='irc'><<cite>BassamT</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bas sam to correct section 3.4 targetRequired such that targetRequired= true is not violated for empty or null references. [recorded in <a hr ef= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action13">http:/ /www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p> <p class ='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-15 - Correct section 3.4 targetRequired such that targetRequired=true is not vi olated for empty or null references. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06 -19].</p> <p class='phone'>Discussion of difference between NULL (nil="true") and Empty.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Mich ael:</cite> Nil="true" means there is no children. Therefore, restr ict not checking reference to just nil=true. Empty elements with ni l=false gets treated as a reference.</p> <p class='phone '><cite>Pratul:</cite> We have proposal from Michael to consider addi ng his point in the text.<br /> ... Ginny points out that the element may have content but not a reference. This supports Michael's approa ch.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Jim:</cite> question: What is ign ored if nil="true"?<br /> ...John: xsi.nil=true is equivale nt to sml:ref="false".</p><a name="action14" id="action14"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION :</strong> Bassam to change second sentence of 3.2.13. "A model valid ator MUST NOTdo the SML validation associated with references for tha t element." [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/ 12-sml-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html #action14</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>&g t; Created ACTION-16 - Change second sentence of 3.2.13. \"A model validator MUST NOTdo the SML validation associated with reference s for that element.\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='phone'><cite>John:</cite> No where in the spec do we have a definition of a dangling reference.</p> <p class='irc'>&l t;<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> John to open Bugzi lla issue to address defifnition of a dangling reference. [recorded i n <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action15" >http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p> < p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-17 - Open Bugzilla issue to address defifnition of a dangling reference. [ on John Arwe - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Paul: </cite> raises question of how to use tools--when do we make issue an Action vs. goes into Bugzilla.<br /> ...John: Public use may i nvolve detailed "bugs" on highly specific issue.</p> <p clas s='irc'><<cite>Paul</cite>> Paul: suggests that use of bugzil la vs. making something an action item is based on the attention of t his WG. If the WG in real time is resolving something now, it is an A I. If the WG defers something or something is brought to the attentio n of the WG from a public source, for example, it goes into bugzilla. Bugzilla, in short, is a mechanism to place things in a "queue" for later consideration by WG.</p> <p class='phone'>Vijay leav es meeting at lunch.</p> <p class='phone'>Following an excellent lunch provided by Microsoft: Paul presents his suggestion, above, fo r group to agree up.<br /> ...Sandy: XML Schema group tracks al l issues in Bugzilla for tracking.<br /> ...Kirk: at point of L ast call, we need to track every change to the spec so that the Direc tor can review changes.<br /> ...Michael: this can</p> <p cl ass='phone'><cite>Paul:</cite> Issue is where is the source of trut h? In which system.<br /> ... is the truth?</p> <p class=' phone'>Zulah returns to meeting.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Pa ul</cite>> I said: The basic real time meeting activity of this gr oup, in a sense, is the generation of action items. These action item s, which may or may not specify bugzilla issue(s) being opened.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>BassamT</cite>> scribe: bassamt</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Paul</cite>> ... When action items are opened without mentioning bugzilla, it is up to the tasked person to decide if they will open bugzilla issues.</p> <p class ='irc'><<cite>Paul</cite>> ...This WG will review as a body t he action items when they are reported as completed before they are c losed.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Paul</cite>> ...suggest w e explicitly agree on tools use. Hence the suggestion above.</p> <p<p class='irc'><<cite>BassamT</cite>> <strong class=' resolution'>RESOLUTION: 1) use bugzilla for items that need a little lo nger time to resolve (such as editing the spec) <br/> 2) we always ca pture an action item (including an action item to open a bugzilla item) </strong></p> <p class='phone'><cite>MSM:</cite> is sml:ref="f alse" meaningful.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>Bassam:</cite > Yes, in cases where a reference element shows up in an XML document that has not been validated.</p> <p class='phone'><cite>G inny:</cite> What about invalid values for sml:ref, such as "10" "foo " etc.</p><a name="action16" id= "action16"></a> <p clas s='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change section 3.2.1.4 to handle cases for invalid values of sml: ref="" including "false". [recorded in <a href= "http://www .w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12- sml-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trac kbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-18 - Change section 3.2.1.4 to hand le cases for invalid values of sml:ref=\"\" including \"false\". [o n Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name="action17" id="act ion17"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <st rong>ACTION:</strong> BassamT to change the spec to support all valid values for sml:ref="true", including sml:ref="1", etc. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action1 7">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action17</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Sorry, couldn't fi nd user - BassamT</p><a name="action18" id="action18"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Ba ssam to change the spec to support all valid values for sml:ref="tr ue", including sml:ref="1", etc. [recorded in <a href= "htt p://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2007 /06/12-sml-minutes.html#action18</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<ci te>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-19 - Change the spec to supp ort all valid values for sml:ref=\"true\", including sml:ref=\"1\ ", etc. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class ='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> Ginni: can the input node set fo r a reference R be matched to the output node set?</p> <p cl ass='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> Sandy: does deref() validate targetRequired constraint.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</ cite>> Bassam: No.</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite> > Ginny: will think about whether there are scenarios for correlat ion of input and output reference node sets.</p> <p class= 'irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> MSM: why does deref() return one ta rget element only? This seems limiting.</p> <p class='irc' ><<cite>Bassam</cite>> MSM: will take this offline and raise a bugzilla issue if he deems it worthy.</p><a name="action19" id="a ction19"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> < strong>ACTION:</strong> Sant to add bugzilla item on section 3.2.1.4 WRT to supporting the case when deref() operates on a reference that resovles to multiple target elements. [recorded in <a href= " http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2 007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action19</a>]</p> <p class='irc'>< <cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - Sant</p><a n ame="action20" id="action20"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>B assam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sandy to add bugzilla item on section 3.2.1.4 WRT to supporting the case when deref() operates o n a reference that resovles to multiple target elements. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#acti on20">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action20</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION- 20 - Add bugzilla item on section 3.2.1.4 WRT to supporting the case when deref() operates on a reference that resovles to multiple target elements. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name="action21" i d="action21"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to normalize usage of the term "reference element" for the parent and "reference scheme" as the chi ld element. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml -minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#actio n21</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Cre ated ACTION-21 - Normalize usage of the term \"reference element\" for the parent and \"reference scheme\" as the child element. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name="action22" id= "act ion22"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> <st rong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to remove last setence of section 3.3.1 second bullet "... and MUST attempt to resolve ..." [recorded in <a h ref= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action22">http: //www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action22</a>]</p> <p clas s='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-22 - Remove last phrase of section 3.3.1 second bullet \"... and MUST attempt to resolve ...\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name="ac tion23" id="action23"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</ci te>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change "SomeValidUri" samp le in first example of section 3.3.1 to something more real. [r ecorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html# action23">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action23</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created A CTION-23 - Change \"SomeValidUri\" sample in first example of section 3.3.1 to something more real. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].< /p> <p class='irc'><<cite>KirkD</cite>> KirkD is Kir k</p><a name="action24" id="action24"></a> <p class='irc'>&l t;<cite>Bassam</cite>> Change example for clarity and to make it vali d according the URI syntax. Later action to change "URI" to "URI referen ce" may make the latter reason moot. </P <p class='irc'>&l t;<cite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change a ll example URI of the form "/foo/bar" to absolute URIs of the form "< a href= "http://example.org/foo/bar">http://example.org/foo/bar</a> ". [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-mi nutes.html#action24">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action24 </a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Create d ACTION-24 - Change all example URI of the form \"/foo/bar\" to absolute URIs of the form \"<a href= "http://example.org/foo/bar" >http://example.org/foo/bar</a>\". [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-1 9].</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> URI = scheme " :" hier-part [ "?" query ] [ "#" fragment ]</p> <p class=' irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> URI-reference = URI / relative-ref</p ><a name="action25" id="action25"></a> <p class='irc'><<c ite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change all u sages of URI to URI-reference which includes both absolute and relati ve forms of URIs. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/20 07/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action25">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minute s.html#action25</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</c ite>> Created ACTION-25 - Change all usages of URI to URI-referenc e which includes both absolute and relative forms of URIs. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>B assam</cite>> action- 24</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>plh</ci te>> <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2005/04/xpointer-schemes/">XPoi nter Registry</a></p><a name="action26" id="action26"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</stro ng> MSM to open a bugzilla item on whether other fragment identifiers should be supported in the URI reference scheme. [recorded in <a hre f= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action26">http:// www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action26</a>]</p> <p class ='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM</p><a name="action27" id="action27"></a> <p class='irc' ><<cite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to open a bugzilla item on whether other fragment identifiers should be supp orted in the URI reference scheme. [recorded in <a href= "htt p://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action27">http://www.w3.org/2007 /06/12-sml-minutes.html#action27</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<ci te>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-26 - Open a bugzilla item on whether other fragment identifiers should be supported in the URI re ference scheme. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name= "action28" id="action28"></a> <p class='irc'>&l t;<cite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to open a bugzilla item on whether XPointer should be the only fragment identif ier scheme supported in the URI reference scheme [recorded in <a href = "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action28">http://w ww.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action28</a>]</p> <p class ='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-27 - Open a bugzilla item on whether XPointer should be the only fragment identif ier scheme supported in the URI reference scheme [on Michael Sperberg -McQueen - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name="action29" id="action29">< /a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite>> <strong>ACT ION:</strong> Michael to think about how different MIME types relate to SML. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-min utes.html#action29">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action29< /a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-28 - Think about how different MIME types relate to SML. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name= "acti on30" id="action30"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam</cite >> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to fix EPR example in 3.3.2 to not include reference params that identify a resource. [record ed in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#actio n30">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action30</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-2 9 - Fix EPR example in 3.3.2 to not include reference params that ide ntify a resource. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-19].</p><a name= "action31" id="action31"></a> <p class='irc'><<cite>Bassam< /cite>> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to open a bugzilla item on whether EPR reference scheme should be removed. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action31"> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action31</a>]</p> <p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot-ng</cite>> Created ACTION-30 - O pen a bugzilla item on whether EPR reference scheme should be removed . [on Philippe Le HÃ©garet - due 2007-06-19].</p> </d iv> <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Ac tion Items</a></h2> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <st rong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change second sentence of 3.2.13. "A mo del validator MUST NOTdo the SML validation associated with references for that element." [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/ 06/12-sml-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.h tml#action14</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</stro ng> Bassam to change "SomeValidUri" sample in first example of section 3.3.1 to something more real. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w 3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action23">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sm l-minutes.html#action23</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>AC TION:</strong> Bassam to change all example URI of the form "/foo/bar" to absolute URIs of the form "<a href= "http://example.org/foo/ba r">http://example.org/foo/bar</a>". [recorded in <a href= "http:/ /www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action24">http://www.w3.org/2007/06 /12-sml-minutes.html#action24</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <str ong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change all usages of URI to URI-referenc e which includes both absolute and relative forms of URIs. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action25">ht tp://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action25</a>]<br /> <str ong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change second par agraph of 3.2.1.1 to "If a single reference has multiple representation s, every representation must target the same element. Validators may ch eck this condition." [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/200 7/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes .html#action10</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</st rong> Bassam to change section 3.2.1.4 to handle cases for invalid valu es of sml:ref="" including "false". [recorded in <a href= "http ://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2007/ 06/12-sml-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <s trong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to change the spec to support all valid v alues for sml:ref="true", including sml:ref="1", etc. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action18">htt p://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action18</a>]<br /> <stro ng>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to correct section 3. 4 targetRequired such that targetRequired=true is not violated for em pty or null references. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007 /06/12-sml-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes. html#action13</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</str ong> Bassam to fix EPR example in 3.3.2 to not include reference params that identify a resource. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.o rg/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action30">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-m inutes.html#action30</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTIO N:</strong> Bassam to normalize usage of the term "reference element" f or the parent and "reference scheme" as the child element. [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action21">htt p://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action21</a>]<br /> <stro ng>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to remove first sente nce of the section. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/ 12-sml-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html #action03</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to remove last setence of section 3.3.1 second bullet "... and MUST attempt to resolve ..." [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3 .org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml -minutes.html#action22</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACT ION:</strong> Bassam to remove ReferenceParameters and change wsa:Addre ss to match that sml:uri in the element above in the example. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action09" >http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br /> < strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to remove section 3.1. (This supersedes ACTION-7.) [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w 3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sm l-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>AC TION:</strong> Bassam to remove the word "different" from the first sen tence of 3.2.1.2. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/0 6/12-sml-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.ht ml#action11</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</stron g> Bassam to change the spec to support all valid values for sml:ref= "true", including sml:ref="1", etc. [recorded in <a href= "http ://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2007/ 06/12-sml-minutes.html#action17</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <s trong>ACTION:</strong> John to consider switching to short namespace at CR [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.h tml#action02">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action02</a>]<b r /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> John to open Bugzilla issue to address defifnition of a dangling reference. [recor ded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action 15">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Bassam to present bes t practices as defined by SML domain groups to XML SChema WG for their consideration. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sm l-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#acti on05</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mich ael to open a bugzilla item on whether other fragment identifiers shoul d be supported in the URI reference scheme. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action27">http://www.w3.org /2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action27</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</stro ng> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Michael to open a bugzilla item on whether XPointer should be the only fragment identifier scheme supported in th e URI reference scheme [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2 007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action28">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minut es.html#action28</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</ strong> Michael to think about how different MIME types relate to SML. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.h tml#action29">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action29</a>]<b r /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> MSM to open a bugzilla item on whether other fragment identifiers should be supp orted in the URI reference scheme. [recorded in <a href= "http://www. w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action26">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-s ml-minutes.html#action26</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>A CTION:</strong> Philippe to open a bugzilla item on whether EPR referen ce scheme should be removed. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3 .org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action31">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml -minutes.html#action31</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACT ION:</strong> Philippe to put issue regarding URIs vs IRIs in Bugzilla. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html #action08">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br / > <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sandy to add b ugzilla item on section 3.2.1.4 WRT to supporting the case when deref() operates on a reference that resovles to multiple target elements. [re corded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#act ion20">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action20</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sandy to open an i ssue to address whether we should require reference pointers be childre n. [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.ht ml#action12">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Sant to add bugzilla item on section 3.2.1.4 WRT to supporting the case when deref( ) operates on a reference that resovles to multiple target elements. [r ecorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#ac tion19">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action19</a>]<br /> <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> WG consider swi tching to short namespace [recorded in <a href= "http://www.w3.org/20 07/06/12-sml-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-minute s.html#action01</a>]<br /> <br /> [End of minutes]<br /> </body> </html> =