<AxelPolleres> I have some question for AOB on the rif:imports issue.

<ChrisW> Scribe: Adrian Paschke

<AxelPolleres> from SPARQL

<ChrisW> scribenick: AdrianP

Admin

<ChrisW> last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2010Aug/0017.html

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Accept last meeting minutes

ChrisW: minutes approved

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Accept last meeting minutes

Liason

Sandro: RDF Database working group addressing database queries
... how rules and queries creating constructive views interact

Actions

<Harold> Michael and I discovered: RDB2RDF's "Direct Mapping in RIF"

<Harold> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Direct_Mapping_in_RIF

Leora: action Send stella recommendations to improve UCR-4.7a test case continued

ChrisW: can the test case be renamed
... with a meaningfull title

Stella: yes, can do

<ChrisW> ACTION: rename UCR 4.1.3, etc to meaningful names [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - rename

ChrisW: issue was that these test cases have a lot of stuff in it - serving as an example but not as a test case

Doug: leave it and put a comment in the test case
... comment in the ontology

<ChrisW> ACTION: stella to update TC 4.1.3 to indicate there is non-essential information unlike most test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1040 - Update TC 4.1.3 to indicate there is non-essential information unlike most test cases [on Stella Mitchell - due 2010-08-31].

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/UCR_4.1.3

action-1083 closed

<trackbot> Sorry... closing ACTION-1083 failed, please let sysreq know about it

action 1038 closed

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 1038

action-1038 closed

<trackbot> ACTION-1038 Move approved test cases to approved status closed

RIF in RDF

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_In_RDF

Sandro: need to talk to Axel
... need to put in text about RIF Import from RDF
... RIF side it would be a note, on the SPARQL side it would be in the spec

<AxelPolleres> what's the URI at the moment?

Axel: put the text from my mail about it into the text?

Sandro: probably yes - Sandro needs to be detailed

Axel: had some text in my last mail

Sandro: this should turn into a real section http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_In_RDF#Importing_RIF_into_RDF

Axel: worried about inconsistencies

<AxelPolleres> need to check possible inconsistencies... sigh.

ChrisW: SWC deals with importing RDF into RIF

Sandro: just looking just as SWC, RIF imports RDF which might import again RIF

Axel: recursive import do not work if just defined in SWC

Sandro: systems which do SWC and systems which do SWC + this RIF in RDF import

Axel: Sandro and I will have a call about it;

<ChrisW> ACTION: Sandro to discuss with Axel the imports issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1041 - Discuss with Axel the imports issue [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-08-31].

Sparql

Axel: my issue was the URI which needs to work for SPARQL. is not an issue if we define it in the RIF document

RIF XML

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF%2BXML_data-schema

Garry: wait for Christian on this

RIF Primer

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Primer

Leora: some sections need fine tuning

ChrisW: added some more examples, e.g. http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Primer#Third_Example

Leora: compatibility, test suite
... data types

ChrisW: deadline to finish Primer is end of this week
... deadline for reviews next week

Test Cases

<ChrisW> ACTION: sandro to ping EricP on Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1042 - Ping EricP on Primer [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-08-31].

Harold: Eric Prud'hommeaux already reviewed it

<AxelPolleres> I have one more AOB from SPARQL

<AxelPolleres> (for the end is fine)

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Test

Stella: what would be the deadline for it

Sandro: RIF in RDF could be ready for review in two weeks

ChrisW: version has been already been reviewed; not much changes needed
... no editorial changes are fine for RIF test

Sandro: test reports from third parties could be useful

<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-test/#Test_Case_Repository

Leora: is there a pointer in the test document

Stella: it is in the introduction

ChrisW: 7 test cases have not been approved yet

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:InDevelopment

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:Proposed

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Retract

Adrian: it retracts the complete frame ex:john[ex:status -> "normal" ex:test -> "some value"

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Retract

<StellaMitchell> +1

<ChrisW> +1

<DaveReynolds> +1

<Doug> +1

+1

<mdean> +1

<Harold> +1

<leora> +1

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Retract

<Gary> +1

<ChrisW> ACTION: stella move Retract TC to approved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1043 - Move Retract TC to approved [on Stella Mitchell - due 2010-08-31].

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RDF_Combination_Invalid_Constant_1

<ChrisW> ACTION: stella to hide "import profile" in test cases listing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/24-rif-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1044 - Hide "import profile" in test cases listing [on Stella Mitchell - due 2010-08-31].

AOB

Axel: SPARQL Entailment should be reviewed by someone from Rif
... review end of September
... probably document ready by mid of September

ChrisW: think Mike already took an action to do it

<Harold> What about progress on http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Implementations ?

Harold: table of implementations - any progress there?

<Harold> Reminder to send implementation reports?

Sandro: some new projects

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Tools

Sandro: should add a category on RIF here

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool

<sandro> new category....? "RIF Tool" maybe?

<sandro> "RIF Consumer" and "RIF Producer"

<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Work

<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RIF

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RIF_Validator

Harold: would be great to have a documentation of the translator used for the test cases

Sandro: could ask the developers to add Wikipage to the SemWeb tools site

ChrisW: status of Silk?

Mike: not decided yet
... portion of it might become open sources

Open Call for RIF Demos at Rule Challenge at RuleML-2010 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2010Aug/0011.html

<Harold> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2010Aug/0011.html

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