<ChrisW> Scribe: MohamedZergaoui

<ChrisW> scribenick: MoZ

Admin

Chris: Next meeting is 26th

<ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/att-0019/12-rif-minutes.html

Chris: minutes accepted

F2F4

Peter: registration page is open
... international fax number is available from now on

Christian: Can we know who will be registred ?

Peter: I will give this information

<ChrisW> 1.3 miles ~ 2 km

Peter: distance is about 2km/1.3 miles (3box by taxi)
... information about aiport and local transportation will be on the wiki
... a lot of informations already available on ISWC website

Liaison

<csma> nothing on PRR

Use Cases and Requirements

Chris: Christian to close his action

Christian: regarding action 9, no comment

Peter and Dave : no noticiable evolution on there action

Christian: Action 41 still open
... With Donald, whom I'll see in OMG meeting
... "do you think it will be useful something like this in UC&R ?" looking for an answer

Chris: action open for christian to discuss next week
... Leora action 97 still open

Frank: two actions still open

<scribe> ACTION: 109 to done [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: to accept rewording of requirement XML types as proposed by

<ChrisW> DaveR: [1] "XML Types - RIF must support an appropriate set of scalar

<ChrisW> datatypes and associated operations as defined in XML Schema part 2 and

<ChrisW> associated specifications." (issue 6.3)

Chris: Rewording of the requirement on XML ?

<DavidHirtle> I'll get it

Requirement accepted

<ChrisW> ACTION: allen to update xml types requirement in next WD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-113 - Update xml types requirement in next WD [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-09-26].

<csma> RESOLVED: to accept rewording of requirement XML type ...

Chris: Dave to take a look at Issue 5
... to close 1 and 4

<DavidHirtle> DaveR - okay to leave the "see charter" comment at http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Requirements#req-xml-types?

<DavidHirtle> (I think it should stay)

Dave: issue 6.2 no conclusion for the moment

Christian: They are not exaclty the same, but we can merge them, depending of the level of detail

Dave: do we make the distinction ?

Chris: about implementability

<Allen> Dave: so the action is done?

Christian: propose clarify the wording of the requirement about implementability

<ChrisW> ACTION: chris to clarify distinction between implementability and standard components requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-114 - Clarify distinction between implementability and standard components requirements [on Chris Menzel - due 2006-09-26].

Issue 6 depends on Action 114

<DaveReynolds> Action 114 is on ChrisW not ChrisM

Issue 7 will be discussed next week

Issue 8 will be closed

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: to close issue 8

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Close issue 8

Issue 22 : alan's proposal

Alan: look at the original terminology, and send a email to the WG

Allen: take into account a slide from Christian
... i describe an alternative approche about 2 rulesets in the same model

<ChrisW> Allen's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0046.html

Christian: do we need to have an official definition ?

Chris: the word "cover" is used in 4 requirements

Christian: propose to rephrase these requirements
... features that must exist into RIF, or each features must have the exact semantic of another language ?

<sandro> "q+", Francois

Christian: cover for syntactic and one for transfering the semantic
... propose to abandon the word "cover"

<sandro> Sandro: I think "coverage" is an important feature for users -- they want to know if their language/features are covered

Francois: distinguishing syntax and semantics is dangerous
... do not want to keep the syntax

Christian: cannot separate the syntax and semantics
... the word cover should be taken at the feature level

<ChrisW> scribenick: axelpolleres

<scribe> scribenick: AxelPolleres

<Harold> In http://www.debruijn.net/publications/msa-ruleml05.pdf (section 4 The Relationship Between Layers, page 9) there is a formal definition of Language extensions.

<Francois> +1 with both proposals.

chrisW: read allen's email and comment until next week on coverage issue.
... allen, remaing issues?

<scribe> ACTION: allen to post resolution for issues 3,4,13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action04]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-115 - Post resolution for issues 3,4,13 [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-09-26].

<DavidHirtle> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Negotiating_eBusiness_Contracts_Across_Rule_Platforms

chrisW: we still have to link Use Cases with requirements and vice versa.

<DavidHirtle> (see above for an example of links from use cases to reqs)

chrisW: this will be the main topic ffor next week!

DavidHirtle&Allen: solicit for input to this discussion by the end of the week on the mailing list

RIF-RAF

RIFRAF

Hassan: meeting on action http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/87
... this is about variables.

<scribe> ACTION: write response to Christian's proposal, asking for clarifications where necessary [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action05]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - write

<scribe> ACTION: Alex to record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action06]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-116 - Record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email [CONTINUED] [on Alex Kozlenkov - due 2006-09-26].

<scribe> ACTION: Axel to make a wiki page on negation [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action07]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-117 - Make a wiki page on negation [DONE] [on Axel Polleres - due 2006-09-26].

you can't hear me?

:-(

AxelPolleres: What about updates of the questionnaire?
... on types.

ChrisW: Postpone further changes 2 weeks due to other urgent deadlines.
... decide how to move forward then (whether to stay with questionnaire or another possibility, e.g. discriminators ontology in OWL)

Technical design

<scribe> ACTION: Harold to start new wiki page on the core language to include Peter's proposal modulo changes we discussed [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action08]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-118 - Start new wiki page on the core language to include Peter\'s proposal modulo changes we discussed [CONTINUED] [on Harold Boley - due 2006-09-26].

<scribe> ACTION: 111 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action09]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 111

<scribe> ACTION: 112 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action10]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 112

ChrisW: discussion on mail on action 110.
... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0051
... Seems like we have consensus on the core of condition language.

Hassan: I will post URI on rewriter for basic conditions/XML.

<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/B.1_Horn_Rules

Hassan et al.: continue discussions on heads (from XML syntaxpoint of view)

Hassan: Issues: scope, variales, global variables, heads, etc.

csma: actions?

Hassan: Prepares a document on these issues.

<scribe> ACTION: Hassan to post a mail or set up a wiki page on outlining the issues. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action11]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-119 - Post a mail or set up a wiki page on outlining the issues on XML syntax. [on Hassan Ait-Kaci - due 2006-09-26].

ChrisW: when will we have a new wiki page done?

Harold: in one week.
... points out focus on phase 1.

ChrisW: more comments on Technical design?

csma: Issue: how do we specify the "dataset" of the rules?

<JeffP> +1

<Hassan> +1

<PaulaP> +1

<scribe> ACTION: csma to send a mail on issue: "how do we specify the 'dataset' of the rules" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action12]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - csma

<PaulaP> bye

ChrisW: Let's be sure to talk about f2f5 next week!

<JeffP> bye

<igor> bye

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0044.html
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