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<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to try SOAP protocol tests against Joseki and Virtuoso [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS: Invent and document an alternative to mf:requires for things that are noteable but not extensions in the test suite [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS: Update manifest for mf:requires [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS: Update vocabulary files and README for test [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to check and annotate open-eq-07 and -10 with mf:LangTagAwareness [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to investigate PR mechanics, put together draft transition request [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF: Reply to Alan's comment on metadata in SPARQL XML Results format [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
<LeeF> ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] but progress [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
<LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0171.html
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to put together CR transition request for SPARQL XML format and ericP to publish [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
LeeF proposes having a working meeting telecon on Thursday Oct 4 at 2:30 UTC.
scribe: not a full meeting - pushing on with preparation
EricP: Can't make Thurs - Wed better.
LeeF: Propose Oct 3 at 14:30 UTC.
Eric and Andy can make it.
<LeeF> AndyS: use case is ability to have, e.g. XHTML in a result format
<LeeF> ... so that you can use XSLT to produce a table with rich-text and links, images, etc.
<LeeF> ... right now the result format has a schema - needs to be well-formed XML and can be validated against our relaxNG or XML schema
<LeeF> ... looked around for examples of embedding xml
<LeeF> ... XML literals in RDF/XML
<LeeF> ... putting document in SOAP envelopes
<LeeF> ... there is a canonicalization (c14n) spec at CR
<LeeF> ... also "exclusive xml canonicalization"
<ericP> weak!
<LeeF> LeeF: would we have designs to lean on?
<LeeF> AndyS: Only one to reference would be RDF/XML
<LeeF> ... not an off the shelf XML solution AFAIK
<LeeF> LeeF: Do implementations do this?
<LeeF> AndyS: Joseki does not right now (escapes XML); Virtuoso does
SteveH: escapes XML
Chimezie: puts raw XML into DOM tree.
<LeeF> ericP, do you have an implementation of the result format that does/does not escape XML literals?
EricP: no use cases, haven't pushed on it.
(pp Ivan): Virtuoso embeds HTML in result set formats.
Round table :
Chair - for Openlink: have some investment and usage
<chimezie> Doesn't Atom do this with XHTML?
They wish they brought this up before.
<LeeF> AndyS: Looks like a deep black hole, not well sorted out right now
<LeeF> ... worried about schedule issue, esp. considering lack of editor for document
<LeeF> ... may uncover other issues not considered by RDF/XML - makes this a large design space
<LeeF> ... design of result format to have a schema was purposeful, means a loss but shoudl take that into account
Souri: currently do not generate
XML - do return an SQL table with XML string literally as
seen
... not worried about SPARQL supporting this feature
AndyS: example in Turtle"<tag/>"^^rdf:xmlLiteral
Chime: would like to know more :
example from Atom?
... any tests?
<SteveH> Atom example: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/12/07/handling-atom-text-and-content-constructs.html
Chime: no tests in test suite
<ericP> <literal datatype="xsd:string"><tag></tag></literal>
<ericP> <literal datatype="rdf:xmlLiteral"><tag></tag></literal>
we already have to escape anyway for non-XML.
EricP: cool for language but special case that is new work.
LeeF: asks for energy level to edit the spec here (noting we have no active editor)
EricP: prefer to wait for XML general solution.
LeeF: suggests opening and postposing an issue.
<ericP> ericP: solutions i've seen are all successive approximations of "good enough"
<LeeF> PROPOSED: No change to the SPARQL XML Results Format that would allow unescaped XML values
Abstain: Openlink (Orri and Ivan)
Seconded: SteveH
RESOLVED
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF: open and postpone an issue on unescapes XML in result set format. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
Review status
QL: chair getting report generation to work portably
Next week - hope for report next week.
Protocol: Reminding EliasT as to progress.
SOAP: Joseki client - Virtoso server tested
Result format: will now go to CR
AndyS: DAWG tests serve as tests
of Results format.
... but does not really test generation
Dave Beckett has provided XSLT to show transformation - used in SPARQLer.
HTTP testing should test generation (EliasT)
Not as rigorous as QL testing but adequate
Oct 2: bit tight for PR but wil try for that (else Oct 9)
<LeeF> PROPOSED: That given awareness of the last-minute issues surrounding unescaped XML and inline metadata in the SPARQL Query Result XML Format, the WG has decided to make no changes at this time and request publication of the document as a Candidate Rec
Seconded: EricP, AndyS
RESOLVED
LeeF: AOB?
(none)
ADJOURNED