W3C

RDF Data Access Weekly Teleconference

3 Jul 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji, LeeF, jeen, SteveH, Souri_Das
Regrets
ericP
Chair
LeeF
Scribe
chimezie

Contents


<SteveH> Regrets for the 10th

jeen: will be leaving current post and the DAWG as well

LeeF: leaving IBM. Continuing to chair DAWG

action items

<Souri> Good luck to Jeen and Lee on their new jobs!

<LeeF> ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action01]

<LeeF> ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action02]

<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action03]

<LeeF> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action04]

<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action05]

<LeeF> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action06]

<LeeF> ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action07]

scribe:XPath approach is difficult to express

<LeeF> action -7

<LeeF> ACTION: chimezie to go through manifests and generate algebraic forms using spec. syntax to compare with list in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action08]

<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action09]

<LeeF> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action10]

AndyS: what about Glitter?

LeeF: will continue to use it

LeeF: as for further development on it (not sure)
... it is an opensource project

<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action11]

August

LeeF: want to get an idea of holiday plans in August

LeeF: we don't want to drop the PR ball in August

LeeF: will have slightly smaller group in August but enough to proceed

test suite

<LeeF> construct tests

LeeF: ARQ passes these

SteveH: running them as we speak

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/data-ident.ttl

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/query-ident.rq

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/result-ident.ttl

SteveH: problems with manifest and CONSTRUCT

<LeeF> take a look at:

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/data-opt.ttl

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/query-construct-optional.rq

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/result-construct-optional.ttl

LeeF: look good from eyeball

jeen: we should indicate in the manifest that they are CONSTRUCT tests

LeeF: there is existing vocabulary for expressing this but is not being used

AndyS: similar scenario for sorting scenario

<LeeF> contains vocab for test types

<LeeF> dwagt:QuerySelect

<LeeF> dawgt:QueryConstruct

LeeF: perhaps we should use these

SteveH: would be consistent with syntax tests

<LeeF> dawgt:queryForm

<scribe> ... ongoing conversation about what is that dawgt Base URI binding ...

AndyS: it is in the wrong namespace and perhaps should be moved

<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action12]

<LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve the tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/manifest.ttl, with LeeF running them successfully in the next two weeks

<LeeF> seconded by chimezie

AndyS: we shouldn't get too far ahead of implementations having problems with the manifest

LeeF: if we only have one implementation passing we will have to revisit anyway..

SteveH: abstains

<LeeF> approved, SteveH abstaining

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/

SteveH: can't process them

<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Jul [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action13]

<Souri> 16th

<Souri> no

LeeF: get in touch with other implementations not in the WG

<LeeF> ESW Wiki list of SPARQL implementations

<LeeF> not on the list - SteveH's

<SteveH> JXT

jeen: mine is not on the list either

<LeeF> sesame

<LeeF> ACTION: chimezie to post some early EARL test results to mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action14]

jeen: parsing problem with graph-11

<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/graph/graph-11.ttl

<LeeF> []

jeen: newline in between BNode indicators ([ \n ])

<LeeF> (grammar definition is ANON ::= '[' WS* ']')

<LeeF> oh wait

<LeeF> that's sparql grammar :)

AndyS: fixed in CVS

jeen: able to run them now

jeen: passes some

LeeF: Base URI of manifest files should be used to resolve relative Test URIs

<Souri> a minor issue: in "Current Events" section at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ we are still saying: "released Last Call working draft of SPARQL Query Language for RDF 26 Mar 2007"

scribe: Base URI (on the web)

<Souri> my e-mail bounced, so I was not sure thx

<LeeF> for the record: lee's new email is lee AT thefigtrees DOT net

<LeeF> ("new")

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: chimezie to go through manifests and generate algebraic forms using spec. syntax to compare with list in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: chimezie to post some early EARL test results to mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Jul [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
 
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