[1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ I18N ITS WG 31 Aug 2005 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-irc Attendees Present Christian, Diane, Felix, Goutam, Tim, Yves Regrets Karunesh, Masaki, Andrzej Chair Yves Scribe Felix Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]ACTION ITEMS 2. [5]F2f 3. [6]Requirements 4. [7]Other business * [8]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________________ ACTION ITEMS ACTION: RI to contact somebody from W3C about feedback (PENDING) [recorded in [9]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action01] ACTION: FS to contact person from ATOM (PENDING) [recorded in [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action02] ACTION (DONE): Yves to adapt changes from wd and wiki [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/004 0.html [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/0040.html ACTION (DONE): Felix to post a reading list CL: about the reading list ... should we all choose something from the reading list Felix: yes Yves: let's talk about that now [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/004 0.html [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/0040.html Yves: about namespaces ... what should we concentrate on? CL: many things seems to be relevant ... if we want to come up with a general approach for at least 3 schema languages Yves: let's concentrate on xml schema ... then relax ng, then schematron xml schema on namespaces: On Namespaces: 67-99 yves: other items are sometimes difficult, sometimes easy ... other comments on the reading list? cl: about xlink ... in the xlink spec we see other approaches on combining new namespaces yves: that's a good idea, let's add it to the reading list fs: we can concentrate on the examples in the xlink spec Yves: xml schema, namespaces, relax ng and schematron (basics), xlink as an example for element combination as the reading list ACTION: (DONE) YS to reestablish def for "data category" in the definitions [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action03] [14]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0504ReqKeyDefinitions [14] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0504ReqKeyDefinitions Yves: could we explain it more in detail? CL: There is one in the TC 37 ... I will research on that again ACTION: CL and others to make research on data categories definitions [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action04] ACTION (Pending): RI to post an email to the Activity about the definition of "internationalization" and "localization"[recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action04x] ACTION: For the f2f, see action item list at [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/004 2.html [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action05] [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/0042.html F2f Yves: all, take care of the hotel reservation ... and prepare the xml schema stuffs List of action items for the f2f: - All to think about becoming an co-editor of the recomendation which describes the implementation of ITS. - All to book hotel for the face-to-face meeting (Several of us should be at the Hotel Aldo). - All to prepare possible questions related to XSD. - All to read up on namespaces. - FS to prepare Ruby information. - YS to prepare "indicator of translatability" Requirements [19]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0504ReqKeyDefinitions [19] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0504ReqKeyDefinitions Yves: just tackled that [20]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale [20] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale [21]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale [21] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale Yves: I have taken this other from Masaki at the moment Section 2.12 [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/ [22] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/ ACTION: FS: add a reference to RFC 3066 bis to [23]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action06] [23] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale CL: could we add a reference to the xml spec? FS: the definition of the values is in the rfc dear colleagues, may I request you all to peruse the generalized three schemas scheme that I submitted to ITS-WG toward meaningful translation [25]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505LimitImpact [25] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505LimitImpact ACTION: CL to add a paragraph on the role of xml:lang to the summary section, FS to add a paragraph somewhere to the role of values of xml:lang [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action07] Yves: limited impact is ready for working draft [27]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqAttrAndTrans [27] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqAttrAndTrans Yves: very few comments on this ... it is an important requirement ... everybody agree? Tim: I agree yes, I agree Yves: I will move it to working draft CL: one comment ... what is the requirement? ... is it a recommendation? ... it would have to go into the guidelines ... it is not related to technologies, as it is worded now ... as for technologies, we should say: the its mechanism should provide the same mechanism for attributes as for elements, or other mechanisms ACTION: Yves to make rewording of [28]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqAttrAndTrans, with respect to CL comments [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action08] [28] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqAttrAndTrans [30]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqTermIdentification [30] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqTermIdentification ACTION: Yves about [31]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqTermIdentification to modify the examples of the guidelines [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action09] [31] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqTermIdentification [33]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqCDATA [33] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqCDATA yves: that needs some work Tim: will change it to the current format yves: two issues ... if you translate markup, you cannot distinguish the text from it ... the other problem is how to put the markup into the text ... so could we reword it: we need to distingush between text and code. CDATA is just an example of that. that's right ACTION: Tim to change the CDATA req [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action10] CL: are there guidelines what should be done if somebody has to use CDATA sections? Tim: it would be o.k. ... if there is a CDATA section, you need to make clear somehow that the content is, e.g. Java code ... so far it is left to the translator Yves: looking from experience, if you have a cdata section, you can trick parsers to get rid of the cdata section sometimes you know that all the stuff is xml stuff General thought: We may work along the lines of both infoset and DOM ([35]http://www.w3schools.com/dom/dom_nodetype.asp) [35] http://www.w3schools.com/dom/dom_nodetype.asp) ACTION: Felix to investigate what is not in the infoset [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action11] [37]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0506ReqMultilingualDoc [37] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0506ReqMultilingualDoc The req should rather talk about "parallel content" ACTION: Yves to reword [38]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0506ReqMultilingualDoc recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action12] [38] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0506ReqMultilingualDoc [40]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqBidi [40] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqBidi Yves: not much to say about the requirement itself ... the solution will be more challenging ... put that as WD ACTION: Yves to put [41]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqBidi to wd recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action13] [41] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqBidi Other business CL: goutam sent a mail: "we should consider to a generalized scheme" "A Syntactic & Semantic Approach to I18N and L10N" ACTION: Yves to write a mail to Goutam write a mail to everybody about his purposes on the f2f topic [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action14] CL: Felix on additional use case for mapping specification ... would be good ACTION: Felix to add an additional paragraph to the mapping req [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action15] Apologies in advance for the next two meetings vacation :-) ACTION: Yves to send a list of topics at the f2f to FS [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action16] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: CL and others to make research on data categories definitions [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action04] ACTION (Pending): RI to post an email to the Activity about the definition of "internationalization" and "localization"[recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action04x] [NEW] ACTION: CL to add a paragraph on the role of xml:lang to the summary section, FS to add a paragraph somewhere to the role of values of xml:lang [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Felix to add an additional paragraph to the mapping req [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action15] [NEW] ACTION: Felix to investigate what is not in the infoset [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action11] [NEW] ACTION: For the f2f, see action item list at [51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/004 2.html [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: FS: add a reference to RFC 3066 bis to [53]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Tim to change the CDATA req [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action10] [NEW] ACTION: Yves about [56]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqTermIdentification to modify the examples of the guidelines [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to make rewording of [58]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqAttrAndTrans, with respect to CL comments [recorded in [59]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to put [60]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqBidi to wd [recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action13] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to reword [62]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0506ReqMultilingualDoc recorded in [63]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action12] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to send a list to FS about the f2f [recorded in [64]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action16] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to write a mail to Goutam write a mail to everybody about his purposes on the f2f topic [recorded in [65]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action14] [51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005JulSep/0042.html [53] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqLangLocale [56] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqTermIdentification [58] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqAttrAndTrans, [60] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqBidi [62] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0506ReqMultilingualDoc [PENDING] ACTION: FS to contact person from ATOM [recorded in [66]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: RI to contact somebody from W3C about feedback [recorded in [67]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] ACTION: YS to reestablish def for "data category" in the definitions [recorded in [68]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [69]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([70]CVS log) $Date: 2005/09/01 06:32:22 $ [69] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [70] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/