On Feb 4, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:

I have agreement from the Mozilla accessibility people and the Apple accessibility people who actually attend the calls and do the work.

For what it's worth, the person from Apple who attends the calls does not do any implementation work on WebKit or VoiceOver. Not that his input isn't valuable, but he is not really in a position to make implementation commitments on behalf of Apple. Furthermore, James and I have spoken privately and I believe we both agree that an accessible DOM (with focus and selection capabilities) is necessary, but I didn't get the impression that he thinks that multiple modality-specific DOMs declared in markup, or an accessible DOM that's separate from fallback content are essential. I'm sure people on the calls are willing to go along with lots of things that you say, since you are the one driving this, but I think you may be overstating the degree of support, at least on Apple's part. 

Regards,
Maciej



Rich Schwerdtfeger
Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist

<graycol.gif>Jonas Sicking ---02/04/2010 11:05:59 AM---On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger < schwer@us.ibm.com

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com> wrote:

    Ian,

    The group has heard your comments. We don't agree with you. I am not going to have another email discussion dragged into the weeds like what has happened on summary. I think we have had adequate discussion on the topic and this will be part of the proposal we go forward with.

    We have agreement from Apple, Microsoft, IBM, and Mozilla and we are working on an implementation.

Please note that there is no such thing as "agreement from Mozilla". The mozilla community is composed of individuals that often differ in opinion. In matters of web standards we usually don't form an "official mozilla position" or any thing like that. So while there very well might be people at mozilla that support this proposal, it is not "agreement from Mozilla".

Personally I have the same reaction as Ian.

I'll also note that Maciej is from Apple and appears not to like this proposal either. However I don't know what Apples policy is on these things.

Best Regards,
Jonas Sicking
Mozilla