Alain Couthuries, AgenceXML
John Boyer, IBM
Leigh Klotz, Xerox (minutes)
Nick van den Bleeken, Inventive Designers
Steven Pemberton, CWI/W3C (chair)
Uli Lissé, DreamLab
Philip Fennell, MarkLogic
Nick van: I don't have the list
updated yet.
Leigh Klotz: Maybe it's time to write
an XForms front end for it.
Nick van: I tried with Mark Seaborne.
The format is Topic Map. We decided to use a database but that was
too much work.
Steven Pemberton: What's the
format?
Nick van: We need to regenerate it but
I can give you an example. It uses topic maps with ids and
crosslinks. Every action is four XML elements with
crosslinks.
Uli Lissé: http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
Steven Pemberton: It's true, we
could.
Nick van: I don't have the script
anymore; I converted to tracker format, and Mark and I worked on
it. But it doesn't have resolutions and links. We spent several
weeks on it and we asked for an extra table, but never got it. We'd
then lose the resolutions.
Leigh Klotz: Another option is just to
use the wiki.
Steven Pemberton: Uh uh.
Nick van: Hmm. The list is quite long.
I have a history of actions, so it will be long on the wiki.
Leigh Klotz: I'm looking for a way to
share keeping it up and that's going to require centralized
storage.
John Boyer: I think the wiki is a good
idea; I wonder if we can automatically conver it, like you've done
for wikitext and src.
Leigh Klotz: Or like json
serialization but for wiki text.
Steven Pemberton: The IRC trackbot
works as well. You can query by user. It creates a page for each
action.
Nick van: I have a sql converter that
we can use to pre-populate it and not close all the ones in the IRC
already.
Steven Pemberton: What do you need to
do?
Nick van: I have an XSLT that creates
the SQL.
Steven Pemberton: I'll ask about
possibilities.
Steven Pemberton: I created the
starter XForms 1.2 wiki spec. It's lightly edited.
John Boyer: The appendices are coming
out as additional sections.
Steven Pemberton: It may be a
stylesheet issue.
Nick van: No, it's in the HTML. Same
for 1.1. I could do something.
Steven Pemberton: John, is it of the
essence that appendices be lettered instead of numbered?
Nick van: Or we can update it when we
publish.
John Boyer: Also the depth-diagram.gif
in 16.4 is missing.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_1.2#Example_of_Calculation_Processing
Steven Pemberton: These are fixed
in 1.2 already. What do we do in 1.1?
John Boyer: As long as there is an
action item. Can we go with the wiki version from now on?
Steven Pemberton: That's good to hear.
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/actions/650
Leigh Klotz: XHTML+RDFa does
modularization using XHTML Modularization.
Steven Pemberton: We don't have to
touch XHTML at all. It uses XHTML modularization. There are Schema,
DTD, and RelaxNG Versions of M12N. The trick is that the XHTML
schemas have hooks in them.
Leigh Klotz: There's an M12N schema
for XHTML? I'm using James Clark's schema. Philip was using
NVDL.
Steven Pemberton: I believe Shane
McCarron is publishing it as a note. It is based on James
Clark's.
Leigh Klotz: Then we should pick back
up with what I did.
Steven Pemberton: Depending on how it
fits back into the validator. You and Philip and I should talk to
Shane.
Leigh Klotz: Philip wants NVDL for
oXygen, but we need to make two decisions: best way to do validator
and best way to write the prose.
Steven Pemberton: I'll talk to Shane.
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/actions/651
Leigh Klotz: Do we want to discuss
who is doing what as this juncture?
Steven Pemberton: I'd like to add
names to the items in XForms 1.2 category.
Leigh Klotz: There might be a wiki way
of doing that.
John Boyer: We can do some for people
here today and get partially through it.
Steven Pemberton: Three or four
twiddles.
Leigh Klotz: Four puts in the
date.
Leigh Klotz: Put this in.
ûûCategory:Editorýý ~~~
Steven Pemberton: Wouldn't it be
useful to add category unassigned?
Leigh Klotz: We need the lifecycle:
proposed, editor, rejected.
Nick van: We can create a template
with unassigned in it.
Leigh Klotz: For going forward.
Steven Pemberton: Proposed is
different from editor so we need unassigned.
John Boyer: proposed/accepted,
editor/unassigned.
Leigh Klotz:
proposed/accepted/rejected, editor/unassigned.
Steven Pemberton:
Proposed/Accepted/Rejected, Editor/Unassigned
John Boyer: Editor is only for
Accepted.
Leigh Klotz: Or proposed.
Steven Pemberton: Sounds good.
Leigh Klotz: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Load_Embedding
John Boyer: Is there a quick way to
get XForms 1.2 and Accepted?
Leigh Klotz: Let's just only put
Accepted on 1.2 features? Or change XForms 1.2 to
XForms1.2Proposed. I think it doesn't matter until we start working
on 2.0 featuers.
Steven Pemberton: I think we're OK on
this.
Steven Pemberton: So action for
everyone to go claim their issues:
Action 2010-11-17.1: Everyone to go claim their sections in XForms 12 wiki.
Steven Pemberton: OK, there's no
point in starting new discussions given the time, so go claim your
bits and pieces and start writing.
Nick van: You're going to ask about
the tracker import?
Steven Pemberton: Yes.