First item on the agenda was to welcome to EOWG Jennifer Chadwick (Jenn) whe serves as the Lead Accessibility Strategist, North America at Siteimprove. She is based in Toronto, Canada and is interested in working with the new curriculum project. The group did a round of introductons to Jenn. Next was a recap of the recent face to face meeting. Shawn thanked the group for productive face-to-face meeting before CSUN. Brent reminded the group of upcoming face-to-face meetings: Mon 13 & Tue 14 May 2019 in Austin with AccessU (to be confirmed), September 2019 in Japan with TPAC (probably Mon 16 & Tue 17). He then walked through the projects that we worked on and he shared outcomes of the collaborative work, inlcuding updates related to WCAG 2.1, progress on the ARRM work, deeper understanding of curriculum project, meeting with Silver TF, and more.
Next the group looked at Outreach plans.
WAI-Guide Curricula is ready for EOWG review and comment. Seeking people who want to be on sub-group for focused work on it.
Lots of discussion on Videos. (That page will be updated with input from the meeting.)
Actions for everyone:
Jenn: Jenn introduced herself
<shawn> ... interested in curricula
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_F2F
<shawn> Thanks for productive meeting before CSUN! https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_F2F_March_2019
<shawn> Mon 13 & Tue 14 May 2019 in Austin with AccessU (to be confirmed)
<shawn> September 2019 in Japan with TPAC (probably Mon 16 & Tue 17)
Brent: We had two really good days at
F2F. We broke into small groups and accomplished lots
of content review.
...we don't have full minutes but some and topics
covered are listed. If you have more questions about what got done, please email the planning team with any questions about what was
accomplished.
Brent: The next face to face is scheduled and will be at Austin AccessU on May 13 and 14 tentatively. Also have tentatively planned a f2f in September at TPAC in Japan.
<shawn> TPAC = https://www.w3.org/2019/09/TPAC/
Brent: Dates for that meeting are already entered above.
<shawn> action for everyone: update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/EO-2019-F2F-Input/
Brent: Please make sure to take survey for Austin and TPAC. Also keep in mond that we often hold a smaller meeting at Accessing Higher Ground in November (18 - 22, 2019)
<shawn> Action for everyone: Add 2019 Mentions of EOWG & other WAI resources https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Outreach#2019_Mentions_of_EOWG_.26_other_WAI_resources
Brent: At the TPAC f2f in October in Lyon France, we committed to do more organized outreach. We discussed specific plans for doing that at the CSUN f2f.
<shawn> Action for everyone: Everyone can do now https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Outreach#Everyone_can_do_now
<shawn> Campaigns https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Outreach#Campaigns
Brent: We decided we would pick newly updated or new resource and promote those specific resources. Agreed we would start developing language on the campaign page for people to use in Twitter and other outreach.
<shawn> WAI Translations - discuss audience, messages, initial announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Promoting_WAI_Translations#EOWG_planning
Brent: First link is to outreach page - section called 2019 mentions. Anytime you see a WAI or other resource mentioned outside of our group, capture that information and add that here. We will divide by months when appropriate. Also an ongoing session. The reason for capturing is first to see who's using our information. Second, capturing that people find this information useful. Will use this in our charter. 3rd, to see *how* people are using this information.
Shawn: can also put our own information on this page.
Brent: On the same page is a section called: "Everyone can do now." For example, everyone can send links to conference organizers or presenters on making presentations accessible.
<Vicki> When we know a particular resource will be promoted, can the statistics (analytics) be captured before so that later we can measure the success of the campaign through
<shawn> [ Yes]
<Vicki> - smiling face with heart eyes -
Brent: Also external promotion and tweets on this topic that don't mention WAI resources, we can suggest that they do mention them or become aware of them through comments. If you see a related topic in an article, you can point to the relevant resources, such as including people with disabilities in user studies.
Brent: Next campaign will be WAI translations.
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Promoting_WAI_Translations#EOWG_planning
<shawn> example page https://www.w3.org/WAI/videos/standards-and-benefits/
Shawn: Link to sample page entered in IRC with sample translations. It has Laura's input on translations going to different page marked as an issue. Will be announcing translation developments next week along with WAI. Looking for ideas/thoughts on things we want to emphasize in emails/tweets/blogs.
<Vicki> Looked through +1
Brent: Once language is finalized by the communication committee, will include it in the EO wiki. Looking for other audiences to reach or ideas for messages.
Shawn: or let us know if see potential for misunderstandings.
Brent: Question - knows that with the translations, it's more of an interface change. Should we include communication that is more instructional?
Shawn: we do have instructions for translators. Hoping it's intuitive enough to not need instructions.
<shawn> ... let's watch for it
Brent: can wait to see if instructions come up.
<Vicki> For now, sems sufficiently intuitive. In practice, will see
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/meta/customize/
Shawn: Shawn and Robert worked on updating.
<Chris> did not get a chance, Shawn :(
<Chris> will have alook
I have not.
<Lewis> I didn't
<Chris> Post CSUN week is always busy
<Vicki> Wording= good ... however, I wasn't able to change font size on my Mac laptop using instructions given. However, I will try again in the week and provide an update.
Shawn: how to change text size or color linked from top of all WAI pages.
Generally letting people know what they can do and instructions organized by browser.
Then instructions for translators. Will point to this next week.
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/translating/
<Brent> Short Reading Time for Group...
<Chris> I think it's pretty comprehensive, Shawn
<shawn> Is it clear and succinct? :-)
<Vicki> +1
<Jenn_Chadwick> +1
<Lewis> +1
<shawn> [ Shawn notes that she'll update the references to the W3C Translations for TR next week when it's updated ]
+1
<Laura> +1
Any suggestions for ideas or improvements.
Chris: thought it was a really good resource. Any questions that came up were later answered.
<Jenn_Chadwick> I agree with Chris
Brent: what do you mean by general under glossary?
If you follow that link it gives general guidance for all languages.
Shawn: will make the references to the glossaries clearer.
There may be a point where we will look for specific languages or resources. Optimally, want translators
who speak that as their native language or who are accessibility specialists.
Brent: asked Shawn to add additional links for work to review for this week.
Shadi: made some tweaks to the requirements and the first module based on feedback from F2F.
<Brent> WAI Curricula: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WAI_Curricula_(WAI-Guide)
Suggest we focus in on "Teaching and people and access technology"
<shadi> https://w3c.github.io/wai-curricula/curricula/#people-and-access-technology
This will be part of work for this week and put in the survey.
<shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/Curricula_Access_Unit_Review/
Shawn: the survey will probably be a separate one.
Shadi: first question will be on introduction.
Calling for involvement - interested and active. Howard and Kris Ann and Kevin indicated interest in "active" participation.
Now is time to sign up to be an active participant.
Can send email to planners and will ask for participants in weekly survey.
Can email to planners if want to be an active participant.
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Video-Based_Resources#Suggested_Deliverables
discussed at f2f - video based resources
create 4 large video resources
like the perspective videos - series or more substantial
professional actors, etc
requested small clips - how do I quickref?
how do I not a deliverable itself, something bigger in mind
very early proposal - deliverable ideas, everything up for discussion
sequence ? some projects more difficult
how disabilities use the web - very valuable but difficult to tackle so may not go first. We have 3 years.
4 ideas - walkthrough
1st idea - planning and managing web accessibility
multi page resource with fare amount of text
WAI has a lot of resources on integrating accessibility throughout the process
not just developers responsibility
people forget the process - having it video based provides another preferred learning tool
1 minute videos
charming style - explaining how to create accessibility policy
not just a talking head.
shareable
possible that you'd watch the entire 30 minute series or just share the short 1 minute video
<Jenn_Chadwick> I'm sorry that I have to jump off to a meeting. Thanks, everyone!
questions?
Brent: planning and managing a big project
Shadi: yes. It's big. It's an actor as PM. We need to write the script.
<Chris> :)
Shadi: People with Disabilities
will be more challenging to be in front of a camera
... How people with disabilibilities - 12 stories
<shawn> 8 stories :-)
scenes and settings need to be done for How PWD use the web
<shawn> [ also + COGA stories, mobile stories, AccessLearn stories... ]
biggest request for showing real people with AT
makes everything more tangible
do this later
Business case
witty actor - cool charming style
or multiple people - resource with 4 sections
Prospective videos do something similar
<Chris> Troy McClure's guide to web accessibility
<Chris> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_McClure
4th idea - BAD
more tutorial style - focused on developers, designers, QA testers
PM and team leaders to know about
send to developer team to learn about headings
total time 1 hour
broken up into small clips
link to existing video or built in content in background
have something on evaluation - such as easy checks or something high level
make sure not to have something that will become outdated - how to do testing maybe?
questions?
Shawn: initial ideas so feel free to speak up
<Chris> Videos that support new 2.1 SC?
Brent: 4 main deliverable ideas - I put them in order
<Chris> ;)
<shawn> Brent order: 1. How People use Web, 2. BAD, 3. Business Case, 4. Planning & Managing
Brent: question - videos of PWD portrayed is that going to be different enough from Perspective videos? We should how it helps everyone else.
Is it so close to perspectives should it go 1st?
Shadi: It's fairly similar but we didn't go deep into AT.
We didn't bring the people closer.
somebody working in a supermaket, etc. highlights every day barriers. bring people closer rather than showing barriers.
we have to think of something more manageable as our first choice of videos to tackle
Brent: We can preach all we want, here is the SC ... no matter how we explain it, developers have other priorities. When we show them they immediately take up the challenge to figure it out.
It's powerful when developers see video of the challenges people face.
Shadi: It would start later this year.
Chris: create video to support WCAG SC
use perspective video in the understanding docs themselves. People can see the barrier then see the SC on how to rectify the issue
Shadi: EO created use cases
they are being quite heavily
<shawn> +1 for Chris's idea. + not just for 2.1 SCs, and also the other 2.0 SCs
video examples for all WCAG SC
Chris: people would grasp concepts for each SC
Shadi: How many do we have?
Chris: ... start with most recent
abstract concept - seeing the video would help highlight the need
Shawn: really likes this idea
SC can be grouped
<Chris> agree with Shawn
wouldn't have to do 1 video per SC
<Chris> would share well on Twitter also
Shadi: likes the idea a lot too
even if we reduce the # of SC we cover
mind is going to implementation
Howard: I really like the ideas and tying to SC is a good idea. Videos are a good compliment to written content
Shadi: any video you wished you had while teaching?
Howard: apply WCAG guidelines - something that showed that would be helpful later smaller clip - evaluation. People get stumped by how to evaluate a web page. Seeing it in a video would be really helpful
Nora: similar thought - I agree with all suggestions. I have been looking for examples to show how someone using AT would be successfully navigating menus. Tutorials showing coding navigation menus
<Chris> you're going to need a Hollywood type budget, Shadi
Shadi: can we do something more general - fear of coding becoming outdated
<Chris> a lot of great ideas
Lewis: For the deliverable related to BAD - are designing something from scatch? Or are we using the existing website? I understand the new one is being created. I used to use it for instructional purposes at ATT. It's now old enough that I think we need a newer version of the website before we do a video that uses it. I put that as a video later in the list
<Vicki> +1 Lewis.
Shadi: yes it's later because of that issue. The BAD update is in the pipeline and this would address Nora's comment. It's a tutorial in nature. It targets the audience Nora was talking about
<shawn> Shawn added "(Will use updated version, not existing/older version.)" to wiki page. The audience is designers and developers. Because of the practicalities it's later in the process
<Brent> I agree, that the demo would need to be updated before the video project.
<shawn> Laura: love all ideas. short clips good + whole series.
<shawn> ... have shared Perspectives Videos
<shawn> [SLH asks about planning & managing series]
<shawn> Laura: Managers are least educated about accessibility. Good for them to see people with disabilities using the web.
Shadi: assign resources, develop policy , consideration throughout SDLC
<shawn> [Shadi reviews Deliverable 1: Planning and Managing Web Accessibility ]
least edcuated most responsible
<shawn> Laura: not sure what that should look like, but valuable if done well
Nora: I agree there's a huge gap. I use the perspective video around planning and managing. do something similar to the persceptive video involving PMs, stc. The publicity, marketing people are also undereducated
<shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/planning-and-managing/
Shadi: concern is content is dryer
evaluate early and regularly -
mockup stage
process oriented content
is it really video material?
Shawn: I think evaluation could be good. With planning & managing I can see the usefulness of a little bit of video
will get excitement to the resource
I do see how the 24 points in planning & managing translate to video?
The PM's have a role ... can be useful. How do we have a series to address these points.
Nora: I'm getting ideas. I like the tag line in the perspectives videos
it's good and used throughout.
Have "who's involved?" what's their role...?
Shadi: are you thinking 1 longer video or something else?
do we cover every point?
Nora: I'm not sure. I agree there's an education gap with PMs and a need to do something.
I know from conversations that I'm involved in regularly. It always falls on developers and testers
There's room to target that area. It's a good place to have some resources
Shawn: Sounds like a single promo one and not a series
Vicki: I have difficulty engaging in video - snippets I do see the value. As a whole I 'm not sure how to engage people.
for BAD demo - I have the same feeling that it should be updated first.
Shadi: coming back to planning & managing, we have 20+ points, intro video - ingrate accessibility throughout
for each of the bullets - evaluate early and regularly - the format for the series - intro 2 min - other points 1 min most, total 25-30 minute
embedded videos all in the same style - moderator speaking - casual, inviting, explaining why evaluating early & regularly is important
background can be engaging so it's not just a talking head.
re-enforces something we say all the time - a video can be shared
evaluate early and often
Shawn: that helps me solidify an idea. How PWD use the web lends itself to video, BAD also lends itself to video, the SC idea lend itself to video - I need to understand what this means to people...seeing video of mobile phone to a wheel chair - the broader picture of evaluation - even that lends itself to video. Overview - helps people understand the concepts. But planning and managing - doesn't in my opinion. It would be great to have an intro video for P&M may not be the best to do a series of videos on
Shadi: trying to address different audiences, so I'm wondering what we can do for an under served audience
Shawn: just trying to grasp what we can do?
Brent: It would have to be a really creative video - I also understand that this audience is under served. something would help to promote this resource.
Nora: add a planning perspective video - target audience that is ultimately responsible for an accessible end product
<Chris> I have to drop off the call. Have a great weekend, everyone
<shawn> [ shawn wonders about 5 videos - overview, Initiate, Plan, Implement, Sustain ]
my phone died. I just got disconnected
Brent: Check in with work for the week, complete attendence surveys, and will also have separate surveys - for Quick Ref tags, curricula, maybe videos... Thanks everyone!