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<trackbot> Date: 19 September 2013
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<trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 19 September 2013
<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh
IBM joined group, Lisa Seacat DeLuca, welcome.
ldeluca: interested as there is interest in Device APIs and possible relationship to Cordova
fjh: possibility of participating in testing, interop
ldeluca: maybe later, especially interested in vibration
dom: I've been looking into possible convergence with Cordova, so it is great to have you in the group
… have been talking with people at adobe on this topic
<dom> Apache Cordova (Phonegap opensource face)
Approve minutes from 4 September 2013
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/att-0013/minutes-2013-09-04.html
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 4 September 2013 are approved
CfC concluded, next step is to publish
<ldeluca> http://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/3.0.0/ that's the url to the cordova APIs
fjh: I will send transition requests for CR today
anssi: am preparing drafts ready for CR publication, have updated with implementation links, running link checker and pub rules, should have later today
… what should crEnd be
fjh: doesn't really matter since we know it will take longer to exit CR but 9 weeks is fine
dom: used to be needed to set implementer deadline expectations but not really a concern here, 9 weeks should be fine
fjh: can we plan to have transition call next week
dom: need transition request first, if we wait it will be longer
fjh: will send after meeting
anssik: will set date for 1 Oct for now
dom: exact date not essential for approval
already in CR but getting comments
fjh: I believe AnssiK you are still reviewing these items
ISSUE-146?
<trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- Add vibration strength control -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/146
ISSUE-149?
<trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- handling of long vibration list - truncate or no vibration at all -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/149
ISSUE-150?
<trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- Should vibration be additive when multiple instances, e.g. iframes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/150
fjh: I believe we've agreed to defer ISSUE-146 to v.next
… but need to formalize that and be clear that is correct
anssik: looking at spec to see if ISSUE-149 already allowed
fjh: text may need explicit clarification
anssi: not sure whether it is better to fail or succeed with clarity
fjh: alternative is graceful degradation
… I think Daniel has a good point
anssi: getting something rather than silence might be better, agreed
fjh: think it might be simpler for applications
anssik: fairly simple to modify text to say this
... only return false if page hidden , daniel suggests we prune pattern length and entry length
fjh: seems partial failure better than absolute failure
<scribe> ACTION: dom to review ISSUE-149 get input on tradeoff of either failing or offering partial result (not all of request) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/19-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Review issue-149 get input on tradeoff of either failing or offering partial result (not all of request) [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2013-09-26].
ISSUE-150?
<trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- Should vibration be additive when multiple instances, e.g. iframes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/150
fjh: I think this was resolved on list to be a union
... I believe next step is to update spec
… and share a diff
fjh: I don't think we need to go back to LC, only if substantive change that impacts implementions
... we should revisit once changes are in spec, but suspect we don't need another LC
anssik: dealing with under specified edge cases are clarifications, no need for LC
dom: agree
fjh: we've been working on WD publication, have been doing various publication corrections, expect to publish soon
Web & TV IG review, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0063.html
fjh: will share once we publish
... expect that we might not meet every of their requirements, would like to see them review and indicate if any significant concerns
ISSUE-130?
<trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- Enable variety of protocols (e.g. UPnP, Bonour) with protocol independent developer code -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/130
discussed earlier need to continue on list
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Support UPnP device discovery by Device Type? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/131
we have proposal on the list, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/0025.html
cathy: agree with proposal, still have some additional details
fjh: need to check with Rich to see if any other concern
cathy: if Igarashi is good with it I think we are ok
… we also need jean-claude to look at it
fjh: I'll ping them on the list
... is there anything else cathy that we should discuss today
cathy: no we are waiting on actions, jean-claude has one, we also need spec update
fjh: which spec updates needed
cathy: service name with friendly nick needs to be done
fjh: if you can share a list of outstanding spec updates on the list that would help
issues list http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/open
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Sep/0024.html
fjh: would anyone like to volunteer to review this?
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to review Web Notifications Last Call specification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/19-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-659 - Review web notifications last call specification [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-09-26].
fjh: will see if others not on the call are interested as well
ACTION-523?
<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
anssik: progress is happening, our developers are submitting patches against submitted test cases
dom: has marcos responded to suggestions from your team?
anssik: have not seen anything
dom: using marcos fork
… could make pull request against marcos fork
… also could merge marcos submission as is and work on top of it
… process is not quite entirely clear so we can do what we need to
… maybe you should see what your team suggests
anssik: started with submitting pull request
… need to get marcos involved
fjh: i suggest you start by getting marcos involved
dom: pull request against my fork...
anssik: i instructed qa person to go against dom fork
dom: ok but if that doesn't work then I'll help
anssik: once we've done this we need to update instructions
ACTION-642?
<trackbot> ACTION-642 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Review proximity and ambient light test cases -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/642
dom: still open
anssik: our team is also doing this
ACTION-645?
<trackbot> ACTION-645 -- Frederick Hirsch to Share Network Service Discovery editors draft with PING -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/645
fjh: deferring involving PING until I feel the draft is sufficiently stable
... we probably should first clarify the model and boundaries of reveiw
ACTION-652?
<trackbot> ACTION-652 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Make proposal on list regarding multiple vibration api invocations in frames for vibration -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/652
ISSUE-150?
<trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- Should vibration be additive when multiple instances, e.g. iframes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/150
ACTION-654?
<trackbot> ACTION-654 -- Jean-Claude Dufourd to Propose text for network service discovery to define wildcard api and feature detection -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/654
ACTION-655?
<trackbot> ACTION-655 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update test for light :https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/916dbd5920d8 -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/655
ACTION-656?
<trackbot> ACTION-656 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update proximity test for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/a6ad49819c41 -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/656
anssik: our qa is looking at these both and will have to do pull requests, still open
<anssik> https://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/submissions/126/ambient-light/
anssik: do we need to link to submissions in CR draft
fjh: we need link to test case and interop document/wiki, can expect changes
… does not need to be in CR draft itself but linked document
dom: needs to be in interop document, can be mostly empty at this time
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page
ACTION-657?
<trackbot> ACTION-657 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Revise battery tests for idlharness, find qa person to help -- due 2013-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/657
anssik: have qa person working on this
ACTION-646 closed
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-646.
ACTION-653 closed
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-653.
ACTION-646?
<trackbot> ACTION-646 -- Frederick Hirsch to Organize joint call with web and tv group re network service discovery -- due 2013-08-21 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/646
ACTION-653?
<trackbot> ACTION-653 -- Frederick Hirsch to Create issues for vibration questions -- due 2013-09-11 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/653
I believe all issues are recorded, if not please add issue or indicate on list
reviewing whether or not to shelve, please indicate if any input
anssik: we would like to look at it
<scribe> ACTION: anssik to determine interest in progressing Network Information API or not [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/19-dap-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-660 - Determine interest in progressing network information api or not [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-09-26].
anssik: will get some feedback within a couple of weeks
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