# Device APIs Working Group Teleconference ## 07 Nov 2013 [Agenda][3] See also: [IRC log][4] ## Attendees Present Frederick_Hirsch, Anssi_Kostiainen, GIri_Mandyam, Tatsuya_Igarashi, gmandyam, JeanClaude_Dufourd, Cathy_Chan Regrets Josh_Soref Chair Frederick_Hirsch Scribe fjh ## Contents * [Topics][5] 1. [Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements][6] 2. [TPAC][7] 3. [Minutes approval][8] 4. [Test Updates - Proximity, Light][9] 5. [Vibration][10] 6. [Network Service Discovery][11] 7. [Note publication][12] 8. [Other Business][13] * [Summary of Action Items][14] * * * Date: 07 November 2013 ScribeNick: fjh ### Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements fjh: No call next week (TPAC) 14 Nov; no call US Thanksgiving week (28 Nov) ... Upcoming calls: week after TPAC (21 Nov), 5 Dec, 12 Dec, 19 Dec RfC: Updates of the Technical Reports process; deadline November 27, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0158.html][15] additional git information [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Oct/0177.html][16] publishing moratorium information: [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page#Administrativia][17] how about stable editor draft urls? general discussion about approaches fjh: proposal from Robin looks good: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public /spec-prod/2013OctDec/0029.html][18] ### TPAC gmandyam: rechartering of Geolocation happening Geolocation rechartering is proposed in [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2013Nov/0003.html][19] DeviceOrientation is also part of the proposed rechartering of the Geo WG There is also a proposed breakout session for TPAC regarding next steps for the Geolocation WG also relevant to this group is this breakout session at TPAC: [http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Second_Screen_for_the_Web][20] fjh: also relevant Web of Things, [http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Web_of_Things][21] ... related to network service discovery any advice on transport from the airport? fjh: W3C shuttles might be easiest re TPAC transportation, also see wiki from last time: [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ShenzhenF2F20011][22] ### Minutes approval Approve minutes from 31 October 2013 [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public /public-device-apis/2013Nov/att-0009/minutes-2013-10-31.html][23] **RESOLUTION: Minutes from 31 October 2013 are approved** ### Test Updates - Proximity, Light [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0014.html][24] fjh: Zhiqiang added some IDL harness tests and initial value checking tests for Ambient Light Events [1] and Proximity Events [2] ... what comes next? ... see [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/0014.html][24] anssik: this should now be fully aligned with specification but have not been able to review … upon review can merge them fjh: does this mean you have an implementation as well anssik: cannot say right now about our plans … not sure webkit implementation is shipping, Samsung people might know latest [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Proximity_Events][25] fjh: I would like to get implementers looking at the test cases and see if we can get interop started anssik: should probably check with Kihong Kwon fjh: we need at least two real implementations to exit CR anssik: vibration is turned on Chrome but not the others as far as I know fjh: does it match latest, 2nd CR of Vibration anssik: yes, it matches the latest (afaik) … Gecko may need revision … Justin Lebar has moved roles, so need to know who is working on this now fjh: I'll check offline anssik: I can check at TPAC about implementations and testing for Proximity, Light, Vibration gmandyam: possible concern that device orientation may be changed to use promise based approach, yet some DAP specifications have not advanced. fjh: Media capture TF has elected not to use promises gmandyam: sys apps and web crypto have incorporated promises fjh: right gmandyam: issue is when promises will be stable and finalized btw. IE11 added support for Device Orientation Events [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/dn433240(v=vs.85).aspx][26] gmandyam: other issue is functionality of device orientation, do we need consistency? … android also supports device orientation events … this microsoft approach is argument against a change from the event method we use in DAP, already deployed ### Vibration ISSUE-156? ISSUE-156 -- add the [Clamp] attribute to the argument of the vibrate method -- open [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/156][27] fjh: decided to defer on list since the underlying specification is not stable To summarize: Changing DeviceOrientation from an EventTarget approach would likely by too large a change to be supported by implementations, given e.g. IE support for the spec as it stands. close ACTION-670 Closed ACTION-670. ACTION-670? ACTION-670 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Review issue-156 and add clamp to vibration specification -- due 2013-11-07 -- CLOSED [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/670][28] ### Network Service Discovery Updated implementation using promises, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public /public-device-apis/2013Nov/0003.html][29] (Jean-Claude) fjh: Plan for PING privacy review in January ... Rich will participate PING review, others welcome ... we need to explain the spec, so anything we can do to clarify would be useful Frederick - have to drop out. Hope to see everyone at TPAC. Also arranging security issues discussion with WebAppSec to be followed by review fjh: this will be a call, not TPAC cannot discuss without Rich on call cathy: stuck on whether to go forward with device support fjh: waiting on Rich to respond to that thread ... will ask Rich offline ### Note publication CfC concluded [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/0010.html][30] **ACTION:** anssik to prepare shelved Note publications after TPAC [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html][30] [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-minutes.html#action01][31]] Created ACTION-671 - Prepare shelved note publications after tpac [http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-device-apis/2013nov/0010.html][32] [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-11-14]. ### Other Business ## Summary of Action Items **[NEW]** **ACTION:** anssik to prepare shelved Note publications after TPAC [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html][30] [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-minutes.html#action01][31]] [End of minutes] * * * Minutes formatted by David Booth's [scribe.perl][33] version 1.135 ([CVS log][34]) $Date: 2009-03-02 03:52:20 $ [1]: http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home [2]: http://www.w3.org/ [3]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/0021.html [4]: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-irc [5]: #agenda [6]: #item01 [7]: #item02 [8]: #item03 [9]: #item04 [10]: #item05 [11]: #item06 [12]: #item07 [13]: #item08 [14]: #ActionSummary [15]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Oct/0158.html [16]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Oct/0177.html [17]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page#Administrativia [18]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2013OctDec/0029.html [19]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- geolocation/2013Nov/0003.html [20]: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Second_Screen_for_the_Web [21]: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Web_of_Things [22]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ShenzhenF2F20011 [23]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/att-0009/minutes-2013-10-31.html [24]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/0014.html [25]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Proximity_Events [26]: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/dn433240(v=vs.85).aspx [27]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/156 [28]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/670 [29]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/0003.html [30]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2013Nov/0010.html [31]: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-minutes.html#action01 [32]: http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-device- apis/2013nov/0010.html [33]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [34]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/