# Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference

## 18 Aug 2010

[Agenda][3]

See also: [IRC log][4]

## Attendees

Present

    Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch, Wojciech_Maslowski, Suresh_Chitturi,
Dzung_Tran, bryan_sullivan, Anssi_Kostiainen, Ilkka_Oksanen, Claes_Nilsson,
Mohammed_dadas, Richard_Tibbett, Dong-Young_Lee, Fan_HU, Niklas_Widell

Regrets

    Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Marco_Marengo, John_Morris, WonSuk_Lee,
Ingmar_Kliche, Erica_Newland

Chair

    Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch

Scribe

    wmaslowski_

## Contents

  * [Topics][5]

    1. [Administrative][6]

    2. [Minutes Approval][7]

    3. [Proposed Policy Requirements revision][8]

    4. [Features][9]

    5. [Privacy][10]

    6. [Calendaring coordination][11]

    7. [Contacts new draft published. Additional updates?][12]

    8. [Capture][13]

    9. [SysInfo status (deferred unless new topics)][14]

  * [Summary of Action Items][15]

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<trackbot> Date: 18 August 2010

<fjh> ScribeNick: wmaslowski_

### Administrative

<fjh> TPAC F2F

<fjh> WG questionnaire (for all),
[http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/][16]

<fjh> TPAC registration (for in-person attendees)
[http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/][17]

<fjh> March F2F questionnaire (Seoul, Korea)

<fjh> [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/seoul-f2f-dates/][18]

<fjh> Contacts API WD published 17 August

<fjh> [http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-contacts-api-20100817/][19]

<fjh> W3C Workshop on Privacy and data usage control 04/05 October 2010,
Boston

<fjh> [http://www.w3.org/2010/policy-ws/][20]

### Minutes Approval

<fjh> Approve 11 August minutes

<fjh> [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/att-0041/minutes-2010-08-11.html][21]

**RESOLUTION: Minutes 11 Aug approved**

<Fan_HU> I have been trying to dial in, but both UK and French number are
busy, anyone experience the same problem?

### Proposed Policy Requirements revision

<fjh> proposal - [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/0051.html][22]

fjh: Can we update the requirements with the new proposal

<fjh> update - [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/0057.html][23]

<Suresh> +

suresh: Wonders about if widgets/applications always run in 'trusted' mode

<fjh> untrusted widget - either not signed, or signed without trusted root

**RESOLUTION: Accept proposed update to policy requirements**

<fjh> **ACTION:** fjh to update policy requirement with proposal [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action01][24]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Update policy requirement with proposal [on
Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-25].

<Suresh> perhaps we could name the category as "Untrusted web applications" or
similar to be more generic

<scribe> **ACTION:** fjh Update the requirements [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action02][25]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Update the requirements [on Frederick Hirsch -
due 2010-08-25].

### Features

<fjh> [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/0054.html][26]

<fjh> bryan notes that should use strings in BONDI case as well, since URI can
change with versioning even if capability constant

fjh:

<Suresh> we have keep in mind that Widgets P&C spec uses "feature IRI"

bryan_sullivan: At this stage it is better to concentrate on capabilities

<fjh> suggest we focus on permissions / capabilities in this case, not sure
distinction of these levels and complexity are helpful now

<fjh> **ACTION:** fjh to update features to use strings for BONDI, add text
regarding features/capabilities [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18
-dap-minutes.html#action03][27]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Update features to use strings for BONDI, add
text regarding features/capabilities [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-25].

### Privacy

<fjh> [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/0059.html][28]

fjh: proposal to represent ruleset in another format, seems feasible

<fjh> I suggest we can defer this until we have agreement on rulesets

### Calendaring coordination

<darobin> [new contacts API][29]

### Contacts new draft published. Additional updates?

wmaslowski: there are some issues to be solved. But i can go further with
formal draft.

<scribe> **ACTION:** wmaslowski_ to make a formal proposal for integration of
forms and contacts. [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-
minutes.html#action04][30]]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - wmaslowski (Action created manually,
see ACTION-258)_

<fjhlurker> ACTION-258?

<trackbot> ACTION-258 -- Wojciech Maslowski to make a formal proposal for
integration of forms and contacts -- due 2010-08-25 -- OPEN

### Capture

<fjh> illka notes draft is almost ready for FPWD

Mohammed: New changes in capture

<Zakim> AnssiK, you wanted to comment on SysInfo and serializing async API
calls get() and monitor()

### SysInfo status (deferred unless new topics)

<AnssiK> [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/#methods][31]

AnssiK: What happens if you call get/monitor when previous call havent
finished

<bryan_sullivan> q

AnssiK: Do we do the same as in Contact ie. call error callback in that case

<darobin> "If a current find(), save() or remove() operation is pending a
response, and the method was invoked with a non-null errorCB argument, invoke
the errorCB with a PENDING_OPERATION_ERROR code. "

<AnssiK> [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#widl-SystemInfo-get][32]

<AnssiK> [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#widl-SystemInfo-monitor][33]

<AnssiK> "If a current find(), save() or remove() operation is pending a
response, and the method was invoked with a non-null errorCB argument, invoke
the errorCB with a PENDING_OPERATION_ERROR code. "

<AnssiK> above is from Contacts API

bryan_sullivan: I think we should follow the same pattern

<darobin> **ACTION:** Richard to define what goes on for concurrent calls to
find() when there is no error callback (and step three also needs to define
that); then report to group so we can do the same to SysInfo get [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action05][34]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Define what goes on for concurrent calls to
find() when there is no error callback (and step three also needs to define
that); then report to group so we can do the same to SysInfo get [on Richard
Tibbett - due 2010-08-25].

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/258][35]

## Summary of Action Items

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to update features to use strings for BONDI, add
text regarding features/capabilities [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action03][27]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to update policy requirement with proposal [recorded
in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action01][24]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh Update the requirements [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action02][25]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Richard to define what goes on for concurrent calls to
find() when there is no error callback (and step three also needs to define
that); then report to group so we can do the same to SysInfo get [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action05][34]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** wmaslowski_ to make a formal proposal for integration of
forms and contacts. [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-
minutes.html#action04][30]]


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   [18]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/seoul-f2f-dates/

   [19]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-contacts-api-20100817/

   [20]: http://www.w3.org/2010/policy-ws/

   [21]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/att-0041/minutes-2010-08-11.html

   [22]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/0051.html

   [23]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2010Aug/0057.html

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   [32]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#widl-SystemInfo-get

   [33]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#widl-SystemInfo-monitor

   [34]: http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html#action05

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