[1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - COGA 23 Nov 2015 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-coga-irc Attendees Present MichaelC, janina, debbie Regrets John_Rochford, Steve_Lee, Chaohai_Ding, Ayelet_seeman Chair Lisa_Seeman Scribe ddahl, ddahl_ Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]project on accessibility of Internet for people with emotion disabilities 2. [5]actions 3. [6]gap analysis table * [7]Summary of Action Items * [8]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ agenda: this Hi - What is the password for webex ? i told you on the private chat ok? scribe ddahl scribe: ddahl project on accessibility of Internet for people with emotion disabilities lisa: would like to get a user research group on depression and anxiety ... using expertise ... from Renaldo Barnard ... based at Southhampton University ... are others agreable to this? EA: also he's working in epidemiology passed -to open an user reserch module on anxity and depresion [9]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/op en [9] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open EA: want to take advantage of this opportunity topic; actions actions s/topic;actions// action-138? action-138 -- E.A. Draffan to Add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable -- due 2015-10-09 -- OPEN [10]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/13 8 [10] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/138 lisa: if github is a problem send an email ... in video people sometimes need to go back so an index would be useful ea: queue and review lisa: the student population would love this ... ea should get version from github ea: will send it to you for review action-139? action-139 -- Deborah Dahl to Add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems -- due 2015-10-09 -- OPEN [11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/13 9 [11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/139 debbie: not this week action-140? action-140 -- Lisa Seeman to Add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge -- due 2015-10-09 -- OPEN [12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/14 0 [12] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/140 lisa: will leave that open action-141? action-141 -- Lisa Seeman to Check these are the two issues that group wants from us -- due 2015-11-09 -- OPEN [13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/14 1 [13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/141 gap analysis table [14]https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html [14] https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html lisa: would like to look at the table ... and make sure that people are ok with it so far (lisa reviews table) lisa: "user needs" column has some headers that group different user needs ... into categories ... do we think that this table does the job ... should it be more like a user story or like requirements? ... we should come back after we have a few rows filled in janina: I don't think a table is enough by itself, it's useful, but on its own it's not enough ... it's important to introduce different kinds of cognitive issues ... narrative paragraphs should introduce what people with these issues face lisa: this will link to the right sections of the user research document janina: need to distill further into a single document or it will be too much for people lisa: we were concerned about rewriting content in user research and issue papers janina: we need to get this into a succinct document ... for example like work on media accessibility lisa: it would be taking all the issue papers and put them in one document janina: summarize issue paper into one succinct document lisa: then we won't have the user needs Suggested to use MAUR as Gap Analysis example: [15]http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/media-accessibility-reqs/ [15] http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/media-accessibility-reqs/ lisa: three options -- continue table, summarize issue papers and techniques, do both mike: what does "about the user" mean? ... should put that next to "user needs" lisa: there will be links to where that's discussed in the user research janina, you wanted to say that this group must explain the gaps, but can leave the solutions for later mike: a lot of user needs involve particular problems more than other people ... this woud help with success criteria debbie: just wanted to ask about what the scope of the summary would be, how long janina: MAUR is about 15-17 pages ... people might not want to get into the deep information at first ddahl, you wanted to ask how long the summary would be? lisa: perhaps we could make 3 minute videos of users talking about their needs scribe:ddahl_ lisa: table would make the points more rigorous ... three proposals, table, summary, both ... table would be large ea: that's a problem with the table A table would be my preference. lisa: you can break user needs into a table debbie: would lean toward a summary and maybe a condensed table mike: a summary is needed, the background could be in a table ea: +1 to that ... the summary is essential, maybe could be condensed further ... table should avoid vertical and horizontal scrolling lisa: people are voting for both, with a preference for a summary both - sorry! lisa: vote for one of the three proposals both both both, I regret lisa: maybe after we do the summary the table won't be necessary Both is ideal but much more work....agree tables can be hard to follow. I hadn't considered that. As a dev, I like tables :) janina: the table is more useful for developers lisa: should we work on the summary first? mike: it would speed things up to do the summary first. people trying to assess the work would like to get a summary ... it would be more valuable for socialization janina: my reason for the summary is so that people can understand the nature of the problem before getting involved in the technology lisa: the table was requested janina: maybe need another call to clarify people's understanding lisa: they wanted to see the user needs to see if this could be moved to somewhere else janina: for the nuts and bolts you need the table ... but there's a good part of the community that's not up to speed and they need to be brought along lisa: sounds like everyone feels we need both I need to drop off. You have my preference ;) lisa: do we need to bounce this off of other people ea: we have two levels of expertise, developer and more service provider lisa: we might need an overview but it doesn't need to be 16-17 pages ea: will everyone be ok with a table? janina: let's check with the two parent wg's ACTION: lisa table or summary or both - ask both parent wg and judy [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-coga-minutes.html#action01] [16] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-coga-minutes.html#action01] Created ACTION-145 - Table or summary or both - ask both parent wg and judy [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-11-30]. janina: also include Judy So sorry must go. Many thanks Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: lisa table or summary or both - ask both parent wg and judy [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-coga-minutes.html#action01] [17] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-coga-minutes.html#action01 Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________